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From the Editor's Desk — A good debate



This week the Argus Observer Editorial Board will look into a particularly non-local issue that still resonates throughout the nation. Even into small pieces of the heartland like Ontario or Payette.

Last week, President Barack Obama’s pick for Attorney General, Eric Holder, announced the decision to bring the alleged mastermind, and four of his minions, of the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks to trial in federal court.

Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and his four partners are now currently lodged at a prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. Previously, people like Khalid Sheikh Mohammed were to be tried by a military tribunal system outside the reach of civilian courts. While, at first glance, the issue may seem to carry very little, or no, news value to main street America, the truth is the entire episode goes right to the heart of our values as a Democracy.

The key question is: Do we, or should we, hold those accountable for such a heinous act like 9/11 to the same rule of law standard in our Democracy as a common criminal?

The trial decision is an emotional one. Just last week, I participated in several conversations with local folks who held definite opinions on the matter. Far from being tuned out and focused only on the news inside the county line, these individuals — average Americans working to makes ends meet — jumped right up and offered an opinion the Mohammed trial.

Both people reacted emotionally: They should be shot. Plain and simple. No fan fare, no trial, execute them, both individuals said.

Upon further reflection, though, both conceded there is a real attraction to upholding the rule of law, American law. Still they seemed uneasy, and one was at least downright angry, that these terrorists would be able to enjoy the benefits of the American court system.

At least on the surface, Obama’s decision to bring them into the American court system is a lose-lose situation for him politically. The case will generate more publicity than you can shake a stick at, and, whichever way it goes, his administration will be in the crosshairs of every critic in the country. So why do it?

Good question, and it’s a good enough question to ask average readers. Should these people, people connected to the deadliest domestic attack in our history, be allowed to sit in a federal courtroom and go through trial just like any other criminal? Or should they simply be taken out somewhere and shot? The question resonates because Americans like to believe, for lack of better analogy, we are the good guys. The guys in the white hats. The guys who ride into town, root out the outlaws and set things right. We have history and a huge amount of case law to prove that we are a fair nation, a nation that seeks to adhere to the rule of law. We don’t torture people; we don’t line POWs up and shoot them; we don’t take people off the streets and round them up in concentration camps because of their religion or because they are political dissenters.

We’re the good guys.

Except, of course, none of the above is true all the time. We rounded up millions of Japanese-Americans during World War II and put them into camps and, for the most part, didn’t bat an eye. At times and in far away places, our soldiers have been guilty of excessive force. We’ve made mistakes.

But through it all there has always been the recognition that those who commit crimes, who torture or kill and trample human rights, will one day be held accountable in a court of law.

Does the case of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed fit that bill? Should he and his co-conspirators be allowed to try their luck in our court system? Or should they be transported somewhere far away and then shot? Further, would a trial for someone like Mohammed even be considered “fair?” After all, there is a mountain of evidence linking him to the 9/11 tragedy. So would it be just a “show trial?”

These are good questions and queries we’ll try to answer during out regular Editorial Board meeting this next week. But if you have an opinion, go on to our Web site and log an opinion on our online poll. Or blog this column and give an opinion.

I have not formed a complete opinion yet, and I don’t think the members of our Editorial Board have either. So all the input we can secure from readers would be a big help.

Pat Caldwell is the editor of the Argus Observer. He can be contacted at PatC@argusobserver.com. The sentiments expressed in this column are not necessarily those of Wick Communications or the Argus Observer.




Comment Blog - Note: All Comments Subject To Approval

crazy horse wrote on Nov 30, 2009 11:17 AM:

" I don't like these guys any better than you do, but the confessions were obtained through torture. KSM was waterboarded 183 times in one month, and that was after he had been moved from the "secret" prison in Jordan. I'd like to see him hang, but it has to be legit. This is America, remember, not Saudi Arabia. It actually might be better if he rots in a cell somewhere for the rest of his life so he never gets to be a martyr. Feed him bacon for a few years! "

Just My Humble Opinion wrote on Nov 29, 2009 6:42 AM:

" To not from here....

not from here wrote on Nov 24, 2009 8:09 AM:

" Ignorance...always found in the comment section of the Argus. "

Your comment just proved your own statement, now would you care to actually add to the debate or are you just "hit and run" with nothing to say? State your thoughts, that is what this is all about.... "

not from here wrote on Nov 24, 2009 8:09 AM:

" Ignorance...always found in the comment section of the Argus. "

Just My Humble Opinion wrote on Nov 22, 2009 9:42 AM:

" It is NOT the "Terrorists" that will be on trial in NYC, it will be the past Bush Administration and the CIA for their intelligence gathering tactics and anything else they can think of to throw into the pot. It will be a three ring circus with one objective in mind, to spit in our face once again. These "Terrorists" will have the "Right of Disclosure" just as if they were American Citizens, and ALL other rights granted to American Citizens under the constitution, that alone should be enough for people to understand they should be tried at Gitmo by a Military Tribunal/Court......

No matter how or by whom these "Terrorists" are tired, they are already Martyrs in their country, NOTHING we do or don't do will change that fact.....Why bring them to this country for trial at a cost of tens of millions of OUR dollars? Why put them into our prison system,? If Gitmo needs to be up dated, then do it BUT do NOT bring these "Terrorists" to American soil, period.....

It is clear the majority of the American public do not want the trail to be held in NYC, but as with everything this current administration has been doing, they don't care and will continue to do it their way no matter what.

AG Eric Holder is so full of himself I'm surprised he has exploded. President Obama has an ego that is out of control and insists on shaking his finger in our faces as he speaks, as if we are naughty children. He definately needs to sit his behind in the oval office and do his job instead of continually touring the world at our expense......Whew, I feel better.... "

I still think publicly is best... wrote on Nov 20, 2009 10:37 AM:

" If we do take KSM into a military tribunal, and dispose of him quickly and quietly, isn't the US at risk of looking like we just executed him without "reason."

Please don't get me wrong, I would love for every family member or friend of anyone who was at all hurt in the 9/11 attacks to get a chance to go at these guys with pliers and dull spoons. But that isn't the way we do things in the U.S. is it?

Will the trial be a farce? Unfortunately yes. Even though he confessed and asked to be executed, his lawyers will plead insanity or something "crazy" like that. I have no doubt that he will be found guilty and an execution will be ordered.

I am afraid of the jihadists out there who do not operate using logic or reason. But the best thing for the US to do is to be as open and public with this mess as possible.

Todd "

Not buying the bull wrote on Nov 19, 2009 10:12 PM:

" These thugs are not criminals. They are war criminals. In a war, when someone shoots at you you shoot back. You don't haul them into court and let their lawyers air all of their complaints against you as tho why they shot at you. They killed nearly 3,000 CIVILIANS. They have no rights, They deserve no rights. In Guantanamo KSM admitted that he did it and asked to be executed. He wants this to be a propaganda show so that he can be a martyr. He needs to be tried fairly but privately in a military tribunal as quietly as possible and then executed and disposed of just as quietly and unceremoniously. Putting on this costly circus in NYC will do nothing but damage the US. "

crazyhorse wrote on Nov 19, 2009 7:36 AM:

" Sorry Ray, but the only people doing the hating is you and the propaganda freaks you listen to on the radio. "

Todd from Payette wrote on Nov 18, 2009 7:51 AM:

" Get off the hate track, please. What if the President had decided to hand these pieces of scum over to the UN War Crimes Court, like Radovan Karadzic? Would you then still say it was the worst decision ever? Even if the UN decided they should be executed? What if they decided they should be sent to the US Federal Court system?

The point I would like to make is that I, as an American citizen, NEED to believe that our court system is based on TRUTH and blind justice. I know that our US Military court system is not based on blind justice, and I accept that. It has its own rules for very good reasons.

When these killers are sentenced to death by the US Federal Courts, the world will see, in a very public way that we did not seek revenge on these freaks of nature, but sought and extracted retribution and justice.

This seems like a pretty good decision for the president to make.

Please explain to me what he should do and what effect it would have on foreign policy, and how it would keep my children safer. "

Gerald F. Haines wrote on Nov 15, 2009 8:40 PM:

" A good debate - from the editors desk
What to do with the terrorist mastermind and his four partners.
Pat, to answer the two questions and to comment. Questions: 1. Should he and his co-conspirators be allowed to try to use our court systems? No! 2. Should they be transported somewhere far away and then shot? No! My comments: I am a retired service member, branch Army, enlisted 10 years, went to OCS, as a major with 25 years service retired due to a disability.I believe a military tribunal might be the best way to administrate the course of justice and should be held outside the continental U.S. A review of the trials of World War II war criminals may be in order to see how that worked. These terrorists forfeited the benefits of our American court system because by their actions they have placed themselves in a far different category than a common criminal. These terrorists are war criminals because their own declaration, ideology and actions are at war with the United States of America. They are also spies and if some of them are U.S. citizens, are traitors also. A message needs to be sent loud and clear that anyone that participates in these types of terrorist activities will be facing a far different justice system. One that is designed and geared to deal with ideology driven terrorists "

Ray Dickerson wrote on Nov 15, 2009 8:37 AM:

" The online poll question is improperly constructed. After reading Pat’s opinion, I could not determine what we were to vote on. Was it that the killers were to be summarily shot without a trial? Were they to be tried in a military tribunal at Guantanamo? Or, were they to be tried in NYC in the federal, non-military, court system?

I voted against trying these son’s of Allah, Jihadist killers, in NYC for all of the reasons that have already been explained in the news and in editorials, and for one reason the mainstream media does not want to address, namely that Obama and Holder, the AG, are putting the America they hate on trial in a courtroom that will become a world stage for far left political ideology.

For my part, this is the worst decision ever made by a POTUS. It could and should lead to his impeachment and the end of his administration. "


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