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A lingering issue
School bond effort for Ontario still a priority for officials, committee



Ontario Middle School seventh-grade science teacher Zach Knapp reviews an assignment with student Cynthia Velasquez, Wednesday. Knapp is hoping a school bond passes so a science lab can be built at OMS.
ONTARIO — Ontario Middle School sixth-grade teacher Nicole Macht and seventh-grade teacher Zach Knapp would like an Ontario School District bond to pass for simple reasons.

Macht, who works in the Challenger building, which is one of the oldest on campus, said her classroom has bubbling ceiling tiles from water damage, as do many others in the building.

There are also some holes in her floor from when the former computer lab for keyboarding was converted into a classroom. And instead of being in front of the class teaching a lesson, she often has to stay behind them in the corner where her desk is situated because that’s the only place her technology can be accessed electrically. Macht said her situation is not unique at the middle school, which is why a school bond dedicating some funding to the middle school would be nice and beneficial for students.

“They deserve an environment that’s going to be safe, warm and dry and gives them the best opportunity to be successful in a 21st century world,” she said.

In the Enterprise building, Knapp has other challenges when teaching science, specifically no science lab in which to do the type of activities that engaged him so much when he was a student at OMS. Because of space issues, the science lab had to be converted into classroom space. The equipment, he said, was farmed out to different teachers and shuffled around through the years, which makes labs hard to organize because not all the equipment is accounted for. The types of labs organized also have to be tailored to what is safe and possible to do in the classrooms, but in his, he only has one sink to use for cleanup after dissections and plenty of microscopes but not enough electrical outlets.

Plenty of hurdles have to be overcome before any significant improvements can be made at the middle or other schools in the district, and the greatest is the passage of a school bond itself.

Communication with the public about the school district is a starting point and one Ontario Superintendent Linda Florence has been assiduously working on through a series of powerpoint presentations. While her presentation does not address a school bond, Florence said her presentations are a start in getting people informed, which is key to a successful school bond.

“You really have to have a lot of communication so that everyone gets the same information,” she said.

Meeting with people while sharing that information is also key.

“You don’t want to go to the public without meeting them first,” she said.

Her presentations, which she has taken to the Ontario Chamber of Commerce, Rotary, Ontario City Council, each of the schools in the district and a School Board work session with a presentation scheduled at the Ontario Lion’s Club upcoming, consist of is a “hodge-podge of information” because when she first came to the district she received many different questions about what the school district is doing that she wanted to answer. One segment addresses the “Millennial Generation” — the students in school now and who they are.

“One of the questions I had been asked is ‘What are you going to do about the unruly kids at the middle school?’ ” Florence said, adding that made her wonder what group of student is that because the “Millennial Generation” is much different from generations in the past and much easier to get along with.

The second point in her presentation addresses school district goals because Florence indicated people had questions regarding what the school district was working toward. The third aspect focuses on achievement and specifically Adequate Yearly Progress. The fourth point centers around facilities, highlighting some of the deficiencies within the schools through photos. Florence said one of the main points with the facilities she is trying to get across is the Ontario School District “cannot provide a 21st century education in 1930s schools.”

Florence’s next project will be to create a DVD that provides more detail about the current conditions of the different schools.

“I think, if you can’t bring the public into the schools, and sometimes it’s so hard to bring the public in to tour the schools, I say we take the information to the people, and that’s pretty much what my first presentation now has been doing and what the DVD will do,” she said.

In a different arena, the 8C facilities bond promotion committee is preparing for a possible bond election behind the scenes. 8C facilities bond committee chairman Ben Peterson said the group is doing some preliminary fundraising for a possible bond promotion campaign.

The bond committee has not changed its plans to recommend the School Board go out for a May bond election, Peterson said, but before any major push, the committee intends to a take a survey of Ontario School District residents in December to again gauge their feelings about a bond.

“It would be a brief, to-the-point survey to kind of focus in on whether or not people in the community still think this is a good idea,” Peterson said.

If the survey responses were overwhelmingly opposed to going out for a bond in May, it could change the bond committee’s recommendations to the School Board in January.

“That way we’re not going to waste a whole lot of time and money,” Peterson said.

Knapp, who said he had not heard about the possible survey, said a change in recommendation concerns him slightly, but he, like Peterson, hopes a favorable recommendation will still be brought to the School Board, whether the proposal is for the intended $18.5 million amount or something smaller.

“I mean, the need is there,” he said.




Comment Blog - Note: All Comments Subject To Approval

To across the river wrote on Nov 19, 2009 10:09 PM:

" the answer to your question is yes there will be more gripes even after the fact Dennis is gone. You see, the mentality here is BY GEORGE and BY GOLLY , it worked for me 50 years ago and it will work now!

The negatives in Ontario do not care about the youth here and until the positives are heard, Ontario will continue it's spiral into the abyss.

The sad part is the negatives don't care because they fear change!

Some of the negatives CAN afford to invest in our schools yet claim they can't. Guaranteed! "

across the river wrote on Nov 19, 2009 8:37 PM:

" Point-counter-point, I don't think it's the Ontario Schools that have been stereotyped, I believe it is the _administration_ that has been stereotyped. While I hear some griping about the structures, I hear a heck-of-a lot more grumbling about the district leaders (or I used to, anyway). Some of the administration has changed, will there be more? "

To Tight Budget wrote on Nov 19, 2009 5:33 PM:

" It's obvious that you don't have children that attend Ontario Schools. If you did, you would see the tremendous need for refurbishing these extremely old and outdated schools. I really encourage you to tour the facilities or go to any of the schools during the school day and see what the teachers and students have to work with every day. In my opinion, as someone who has spent some time in the schools, the teachers do a phenomenal job considering what they have to deal with. Keeping a class on task while water drips from multiple locations in the ceiling, or when there are multiple reading groups happening in the cafeteria, is no easy feat. It could be SO MUCH BETTER. I think of the advantages our children might gain when they go to college if they've actually spent time in a stocked and functional Science Lab before they take a science course, for example. If you don't want to go and see for yourself, the new Superintendent has information that she's been taking to various meetings in the community.
The FACT that the schools are old and insufficient can't be denied. As most people are, I am also living paycheck to paycheck, but the price for what the school's would be gaining is great, and I'll do what I have to in order to come up with the extra $1.99/$1,000.
I have ONTARIO PRIDE and I'll vote YES on the school bond to help make it a better place. "

Point Counter Point wrote on Nov 19, 2009 7:48 AM:

" Agreed, it is a short commute from Nyssa, but I am sorry you cannot compare Nyssa to Ontario. Just drive around and look. There is very little new growth in Nyssa, no new subdivisions, no new grocery stores, most of the business in town are stuggling to get by, especially after what happend at the sugar beat factory. I agree that new schools haven't caused a huge population growth in Nyssa because you are right, there is more to the equation than just schools.

However, I stick to my guns that people choose to live in places other than Ontario because of schools. I can think of local born and raised folks who up and moved to Fruitland about the time their kids were supposed to start Middle School.... geee, I wonder why. I know of someone who got relocated to Vale with the BLM and I was teasing him about having his kids in ontario schools with mine..... no way was his response, my wife will never let our kids go to those schools she wants to move to Fruitland. I could keep going but you get the point. The schools in this community have been stereotyped and I strongly believe that it has to do with the fact that almost every community around us has upgraded to something more modern and you cannot convince me that families don't consider that when they find employment in this area. Parents want the best for their kids and newer facilities provide more modern education.

New schools may not "save" this town, but they sure wouldn't hurt. "

non resident wrote on Nov 18, 2009 11:11 PM:

" Nope nyssa is not a booming town, but i know people who live in ontario sending their kids there! that doesnt say much for ontario does it? And by the way nyssa did rank like 10x better than any oregon school in a nation wide vote not long ago! I am not trying to say they are a better town, just pointing out facts as far as the schools go. "

Tight Budget wrote on Nov 18, 2009 12:06 PM:

" Point Counter Point....

*****" Answer to the Nyssa question, is of course no. The simple reason is because there are no major industries like the ones we are talking about here with the Hospital and community college.*****

This is what confuses me, if "New School(s)" is the answer to getting Ontario out of it's depression and back on it's feet, then why is it that Nyssa is not a "Boom Town?" You would think people would be moving there for the "New School(s)" and commuting to Ontario's "Major Industry" such as TVCC and the Hospital to work, BUT they aren't/don't, it's only a 12 mile commute, which in this day and age is nothing.........It's more than just ONE single issue that is causing Ontario's backward spiral..... "

Thought wrote on Nov 18, 2009 10:35 AM:

" I don't know alot about things in education, but I would imagine that if you want top quality teachers, you had better have top quality facilities for them to work in. If I am an exceptional teacher who has no ties to this community what would convince me that I need to live and work here in Ontario.

I agree that it is the teachers in the buildings, not the buildings themselves that provide the education. But it just seems logical that the best teachers would be in such high demand that they could pick a district with nicer facilities. "

Point Counter Point wrote on Nov 18, 2009 10:01 AM:

" One more thought.... I ran out time last time and didn't get to finish.

I totally agree that Ontario as a whole has issues. Anyone who lives here and has half a brain can understand that. So much more than just the schools needs to be fixed. I also agree that it may be cheaper to live across the boarder.

Here is the issue though.... in the past, it didn't matter. In the past, Ontario was booming and everything was here. It seems so logial to me that business growth would happen in the state where there is no sales tax, and home growth would be huge where property taxes are cheaper.

If it cost more to live here, then it must be "worth" the extra cost or folks won't want to live here, especially when the cheaper place has nicer schools!

I know that new schools won't "save" this town. To me, the bottom line in it all is that they just might help start the ball rolling, and even if they don't, our kids deserve better and I am willing to pay for it if I have too. "

TM wrote on Nov 17, 2009 1:23 PM:

" There is a difference between good education and "nice" buildings. Nice buldings do not necessarily make for a "good" education. What makes a good education are dedicated teachers, parents and students. No doubt though that "nice" buildings would make the job easier and probably give some kids the incentive to attend and apply themselves. The majority of teachers are very good. Ontario high students can take classes for college credit. Every year a few students manage to graduate high school and earn their Associates from TVCC at the same time. Many more students earn at least 1 year or more of college credits while in high school. While this is possible at other area schools, I have not seen the same success in the other locations. This is only possible due to the dedication of the teachers and the forward thinking of TVCC. Ontario does need new buildings. Time has taken its toll and the technolgy needed in the classroom is diffcult to provide with the old infrastructure. New buildings will attract new people. If you don't believe this is true then ask yourself why so many people have built new homes and why new subdivisions are built? Support new schools in Ontario. "

Point Counter Point wrote on Nov 17, 2009 10:25 AM:

" Answer to the Nyssa question, is of course no. The simple reason is because there are no major industries like the ones we are talking about here with the Hospital and community college.

As far as your comments on dinning, if more people lived in this community, then it would be able to support something other than fast food. And maybe even some shopping centers too..... but when so many of the people who work here in Ontario live in other communities like Caldwell, Boise, and Meridian, then those things end up over there and not here....

Personally, I enjoy taking my family out someplace nice every once in a while, even if I have to drive 30 mins to get there..... they keep building everything closer to us anyway, that trip keeps getting shorter and shorter.

The bottom line in my mind is this. Young, educated families that may be employed at the Hospital, or TVCC, or the prision, or somewhere else are not going to pay the extra cost associated with living in Oregon when key parts of the community, like the schools are in poor shape.

We need to newer school facilities and I will be supporting any efforts to do so. "

Tight Budget wrote on Nov 17, 2009 6:26 AM:

" Point Counter Point....Pretty sound logic, BUT one of the biggest reasons businesses and others locate across the river is WAY LESS
"Bureaucratic Red Tape" that the State of Oregon is famous for. If you can buy or build a home or run a business cheaper across the river, you will do it. As for the Doctor situation and them not wanting to locate here because of bad schools, what you say may be true, BUT there is NO WORTHWHILE SHOPPING or DINNING here either, they would still have to go East to Boise to shop and dine.

Question: When Nyssa built a new school, did people then trip all over themselves to move to Nyssa? I haven't seen a big increase in population.

What I am saying is EVERYONE must work together, schools, businesses AND the City "Fathers" to enable a community to get back on it's feet and grow, it's not just one problem.....I would love to see Ontario be a "Kickin" little town once again, I miss those days...... "

To tight budget. wrote on Nov 16, 2009 6:05 PM:

" Holy Rosary's CEO claims the schools are the #1 reason we cannot recruit doctors to live in Ontario. Why would it be any different for a business owner looking to locate their business? I admit it all adds up, but the schools are #1 and they are in disrepair. My kids will go there, too. At some point you are going to have to fix them, the price is never going to be better than it is now. This bond is for peanuts. Nyssa passed a bond for nearly 2x the ammount. "

Traveler wrote on Nov 16, 2009 3:58 PM:

" Not to mention it... but I just saw Fruitland's science labs... Wow. "

Point Counter Point wrote on Nov 16, 2009 8:18 AM:

" While tight budgets logic is sound, there is always a flip side that needs to be considered.

First, while jobs in this community would be great, you cannot convince me that they are the reason folks don't live in this town. We have a state prison, a hospital, we have one of the largest school districts in Eastern Oregon, and numerous other good jobs in our area such as the BLM, this news paper, TVCC, OreIda, State Police, etc, etc, etc. Then you go across the border and new industries are popping up all over, such as the expansion of the internet truck stop that was reported on a few weeks ago.

The problem with this town is not necessarily the lack of jobs, while I do believe it would be great to see more of these empty buildings filled up, and even more livable wages jobs.

The key issue we need to be thinking about is why are the people who do have the jobs in the town choosing to not live here. And you cannot convince me that part of the reason they won't live in Ontario is because of the condition of the schools. If we had modern schools that help provide a 21st century education then some of the doctors and professors and other folks who hold the "good jobs" in this area might decide to live here instead of somewhere else.

In this world, people commutte to jobs over 30 or 40 mins from their home all the time. Why? Because they are happy with the community they live in and the schools their children attend. Until this school issue is resolved, it is far to easy for folks to say, "I don't want my kids to attend those schools, I will take my family, my tax dollars, and my energy somewhere else and drive into Ontario to work."

For some reason Ontario has turned into a great place to work, but not a great place to live..... I think schools have a big part in that and that is why I will be supporting this bond, even though I myself live pay check to pay check as it is. "

not aresident wrote on Nov 16, 2009 12:26 AM:

" to "tight budget" all of that makes sense in a way, but even if i was driving through and saw the gang infested, broke down schools, no good job could force me to stick my babies in that squalid place called a school! I would rather work for minimum wage, and be broke than test my kids out to what looks like a breeding ground for parolees. Yes all the business you can bring in will help, but I believe the key is education. "

Tight Budget wrote on Nov 15, 2009 12:20 PM:

" This is a bit of a "stretch"

***** Supporter has a good point, that the construction will bring much needed jobs. New schools could attract people to Ontario and create a snowball effect that could very well help bring a struggling city some prosperity.*****

You need more than "New Schools" to attract people to any given community/town/state. Number one on the hit parade would be JOBS that pay a decent/livable wage. When was the last time you ever heard of a family driving through a town and upon seeing a "New School" say, "Oh look honey, they have a "New School, lets move here," there are no jobs here, but by golly they have themselves a "New School."

First things first, if the city fathers would actively go out and campaing for new businss and make them an offer they can't refuse instead of hammering away at steep UP FRONT fees, landscaping ordinances, and all the other "gotta have it/collect it now," instead of looking at the LONG TERM benefits, perhaps they could get the prosperity ball rolling. Empty buildings all up and down SW 4th Ave, a mall sitting empty and deteriorating before our eyes.

Get the town back on it's feet, the rest will come. When people live from payday to payday and count every penny, you cannot expect them to vote in favor of a huge bond and add to their already over burdened budgets. It's not that they don't want to yes, they simple CAN'T afford to vote yes. "

Made my day. wrote on Nov 13, 2009 12:33 PM:

" God bless all of you guys. This blog made my day. Go Ontario! "

not a resident wrote on Nov 13, 2009 12:04 AM:

" Do what you can for your schools..I have friends who live in ontario, and are paying out of pocket to send their children elsewhere! Mostly when they get to middle school, but either way.. Ontario schools are starting to be called ghetto by alot of folks. "

Bonded wrote on Nov 12, 2009 3:07 PM:

" I'll vote for the bond, even though there's still one more person at the OSD offices I'd like to see go. "

crazyhorse wrote on Nov 12, 2009 11:14 AM:

" Golly gee whiz...they painted the middle school so it isn't purple any more. Some people are never satisfied. "

Another supporter wrote on Nov 11, 2009 7:54 PM:

" We are too busy fixing roads and buying radar detectors to bother with helping the youth of this community. "

To Finally wrote on Nov 11, 2009 6:07 PM:

" Your attitude is to punish the kids because you don't like who is on top? Good God. That is the most upsetting mentality here. Punish the kids because you don't like whats going on at the top? It's people like you that ensure Ontario will continue to spiral into a hole. I have lived here long enough to know that people like yourself will squeal so loud, the bond will never pass even with "Dennis" being gone.

Hooey on all of you who share this persons mentality even if Dennis being gone does change your vote "

Questioning wrote on Nov 11, 2009 8:57 AM:

" I can't help but notice how the voting is going in the Argus' online poll. For those who are saying they will vote no if/when a new bond is brought to a vote, I want, and NEED, to ask why? Why are some so opposed to improving the City of Ontario? Or, what do they have against Ontario School District? Supporter has a good point, that the construction will bring much needed jobs. New schools could attract people to Ontario and create a snowball effect that could very well help bring a struggling city some prosperity. Passing a school bond is not about a desire or a want, it is about a NEED. Kids are being taught in old janitor's closests, and grouped together in gymnasiums or cafeterias which are not ideal learning environments! WHY don't we want the best for the children of Ontario? Why not give them what most other students in the State of Oregon have? They deserve schools that can handle all the technology that is out there are readily available to them! They deserve to be in a well ventilated classroom! They deserve to have a ceiling over their heads! I understand that there are trust issues with "The District" in this community. But by voting no on a school bond, who are we REALLY hurting? PLEASE, put this in perspective! "

Finally wrote on Nov 10, 2009 3:59 PM:

" I have said all along as soon as they got rid of some of the people on top I would become a supporter. I have been hearing good things around town about our new super and I will be voting yes if they go for another bond. "

Supporter wrote on Nov 10, 2009 8:26 AM:

" As was pointed out by Citizen there are things that are already in horrible shape. There really isn't room in the paper for them to talk about all the problems at OMS and other places around the district. I have seen some of it first hand and something needs to be done. They may not have caved in on the kids yet, but they have to be getting close. (Maybe the bottle jacks are up the attic where we can't see them when we tour the facilities.) In the long run the solution is really simple. If they run another bond, vote yes, I plan to. This community could use the money and jobs that would be generated by these types of projects, and kids for years to come will benefit. When its time, Vote YES!!!! "

The Dude wrote on Nov 9, 2009 2:19 PM:

" I agree M. It seems as if it may take someting that big to get the ball rolling. The schools in Ontario are in desperate need of room and improvement. I mean, Really! Holes in the floors? Without the extra room, the children lack the proper education they need. I heard the High school doesnt have enough room either. Some classes are being taught in the gym, because of this reason. I sure hope something happens. "

Citizen wrote on Nov 6, 2009 4:14 PM:

" Unfortunately, M, you are not too far off. One thing that was not mentioned was how often the ceilings at OMS DO cave in. One of the classrooms lost their ceiling in the middle of class, one of the girl's bathroom ceilings caved in during last year's snow melt, and there are buckets to put on the floors for leaks. If we want to see the students of Ontario perform better, and be better, we need to provide them with the facilities that will help them get there. OMS has not yet met AYP, but something to notice is the large gains and increases those students are making! Something else to consider... every student in Ontario will end up at OMS and/or OHS. Private schools will only take them so far. Having improved facilities could do SO MUCH for Ontario and for the students. "

M wrote on Nov 5, 2009 12:21 PM:

" Good luck with that Mr.Knapp, I hope you get someting. Just remember not to hold your breath, nothing besides roads get fixed around here. When that school finally caves in and kills everyone in it, they might concider getting some bottle jacks to hold up the broken part. Maybe even some tarps to keep the wind and rain out. Only in Ontario. "


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