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Jim wrote on Nov 19, 2009 1:26 PM:

" to "move on", What, and County for the record I have not even had so much as a traffic citation in Payette county but I did once have a court order signed by a Payette Co judge that the Payette police department told me that they would not honor. I don't have run-ins with the law. I have problems with thugs that hide behind a badge. "

who cares wrote on Nov 19, 2009 12:10 PM:

" they are both snakes just the one who won is bald and the other had a mullet. both jokes!!! "

Jim wrote on Nov 19, 2009 11:34 AM:

" well I wondered if you would respond to my post. to what the first two incidents were an officer trying to bully me into doing what he wanted and did not have anything to do with the law. And the incident with the Teen I was directly involved with since I represented the teen in court personally. I have actually several more examples of polic e bullying but you people have your head burried in the sand in Payette so you can have your gangs and thugs as a police department. I just watch my back and realize that when I need help, calling the police in Payette only makes the situation worse. "

move on wrote on Nov 18, 2009 10:54 PM:

" To "JIM" so its you that has had the run in with the law and not your kids? Thats really actually sad! If you are having to argue with a police officer, or many? it is apparent that you are doing something wrong! Grow up, follow the law like everyone else, and be an upstanding citizen. The "big Brother" is not out to get you or anyone else! Lets make an example for our kids...A good one "JIM" "

WHAT wrote on Nov 18, 2009 7:26 AM:

" Jim, so your three examples show that the police are a bunch of thugs and a gang that should be dealt with?? Your first two examples dont even describe an incident so nobody even knows what your talking about. The third one involves an accident two years ago where all you know is hearsay. People go to court and win there case all the time, does not have anything to do with them being guilty or not. Unfortunately our system sometimes convicts innocent people and lets guilty people go. I think your comments about the police being thugs are way out of line. Thanks for examples though. "

jim wrote on Nov 17, 2009 4:41 PM:

" To "What" and "County" I have not nor have my kids been picked up for any illegal activity but I was told twice by one PPD officer that I could not do something that was perfectly legal. I knowing my rights told the cop that I was going to continue unless he got a court order for me to stop for one incident and the other I just told him he was wrong and ignored him. After arguing and threatening he finally left. And a more stark example was on the cover of the Argus a couple years back whith the title "Teen fights city Hall and Wins" or something to that effect. The teen was given a ticket for carless driving when he was sitting at a stop sign and was side swiped by another kid. The cop did not see the accident and yet the teen had to fight it in court with Osborn bullying him all the way along until he won the case. The jury forman commented later that she thought the trial was a complete waste of time. "

County wrote on Nov 17, 2009 11:34 AM:

" All I read is "rable rable rable"
Blog should be closed to open discussion by now. Everyone is starting to get a little off topic in my opinion. Go Argus!.... "

Payette County Res. wrote on Nov 16, 2009 5:51 PM:

" And comments like that,"Out West," are why Payette has such a no-class reputation. Fortunately, very few Payette residents are like you, but unfortunately, your type are often the loudest and hardest to ignore. Congratulations to your new mayor. Hope he's up to it. "

good sportsmanship wrote on Nov 16, 2009 12:07 AM:

" Congrats fruitland, I was hoping for payette, but you did an excellent job! "

Out West wrote on Nov 15, 2009 10:16 AM:

" Just like you said Fruitland, "BURIED AT THE END." That's because Fruitland and New Plymouth are the A-Hole of the valley! LOLOLOLOL!! "

whats the problem wrote on Nov 13, 2009 9:49 AM:

" whats it take to have a blog printed? "

FUNNY. wrote on Nov 13, 2009 8:30 AM:

" Hey Payette, sounds like Midvale may need a group hug! Ha, I think your right though, Fruitland started it then shifted the blame and somehow now Midvale wants to join in. Funny stuff! "

TO MIDVALE wrote on Nov 13, 2009 8:19 AM:

" It isnt about Mudvale either, so go play in traffic, please!! Mind yours and Ill mind mine. "

Move on wrote on Nov 12, 2009 11:51 PM:

" ok..so the election is over and we have a new mayor. Not who I voted for, but a percentage of payette did, so lets just see how he does, and give up the arguments! They both had their own supporters good and bad..get over it. Its done. "JIM" you sound ignorant, like your a parent of a "picked" on teen. They only are "picked" on for a reason, so get yourself a good lawyer for the long haul, because the ppd has a reputation of doing a great job!!! "

RetBorder PT wrote on Nov 12, 2009 8:12 PM:

" Not sure where the garbage information comes from but PPD has had little turn over. The few that left were forced out by Clark and his people and are now either decertified or not in law enforcement anymore. Sounds like they run a tight ship to me. None the less, wasn't this article about Williams and the elections? "

Midvale wrote on Nov 12, 2009 3:39 PM:

" No, Hello, you're wrong. The article wasn't "about Payette." It was about election results and had a misleading headline. And when somebody complained that it was misleading, you popped off at them with your Payette attitude, all along making it clear that you had not read the complete article and were not aware that the other towns' results were included at the end. Those of us who subscribe to this paper and rely on it for our news would really like to see a more organized presentation. And you, "Hello," should just be quiet. "

WHAT wrote on Nov 12, 2009 9:42 AM:

" I would like to hear some specific examples from Jim about how the police department is a bunch of thugs and a gang? I have not seen anything even close to what you describe. No, Im not a police officer nor have any friends or relatives working there. Just an ordinary citizen who thinks they do a pretty darn good job. "

HELLO wrote on Nov 12, 2009 9:30 AM:

" It took you two days to find the results and Im the stupid one, ha. The point is that the article was about Payette. For a Fruitland resident to jump on there and say "I dont care about Payette" is ridiculous. Its a Payette article! If they or you want to complain that there should be another article or some other way of getting voting results out then go ahead and state that. Sorry I hurt your feelings....waaaa "

County wrote on Nov 11, 2009 10:02 PM:

" Jim, first off its not the PPDs fault that your/our kids decide to break the law and the PPD just so happen to be there to pick them up. Gangs start in that adolescent age right? Maybe we should put the blame on the parents fault more than the law enforcement? All I can say is I hope Williams doesn't try to change much... Everyone hates on them but when they need them, they are best friends... "

Shelly wrote on Nov 11, 2009 8:02 PM:

" "There are a couple of good officers but many of the good have gone away too because of the attitude in the department."

It's more like the bad attitudes have left.
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"The point I was trying to make is that your community is letting a small percentage dictate what happens. Get involved and vote. Let your voice be heard the first time and not sit back and grumble because you don't like the results!!!!"

LOL, like the people that don't vote would put in the effort to get on this site and debate. Don't you understand that you are only talking to voters?
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"Fred Jones had 46 votes"

I didn't know that was that much room at the shallow end of the gene pool. Must be cozy. "

Me Too wrote on Nov 11, 2009 3:01 PM:

" I, too, was looking for election results. Finally found them when I re-read this article two days later. Hey, HELLO, when the article's headline reads "Williams Clinches Payette Mayor Spot," and the first sentence says, "There's a new mayor in Payette," sometimes there is other information hiding farther down the column. DUH! The only thing worse than a rude person is a rude,stupid person. "

Fruitland wrote on Nov 10, 2009 8:36 PM:

" Gees. No need to get snotty. My point was that the election results for Fruitland and New Plymouth were BURIED AT THE END OF THIS ARTICLE,(Some of you clearly didn't notice that.) and difficult to find, especially since the headline led the reader to believe that it was an article about the new mayor in Payette. Is it a crime to want to know who was elected in the other towns? A little one-inch piece at the bottom of the page would have been just fine--"Election results for Payette County." Then I would have known where to look. "

HELLO wrote on Nov 10, 2009 12:53 PM:

" Hey Fruitland resident, when the article's headline reads: "Williams clinches Payette Mayor spot" and the first sentence says: "There is a new Mayor in Payette" the article is probably about Payette.... DUH. "

Jim wrote on Nov 10, 2009 10:19 AM:

" Williams/Henderson, Henderson/williams it' all the same. Neither will tackle Payette's biggest problem...Gangs and the worst gang is the Payette police. They are for the most part just a bunch of thugs that do what ever they want and pick on the kids especially. City Attorney aids and abets by bullying anyone who fights back in court. There are a couple of good officers but many of the good have gone away too because of the attitude in the department. "

To Fruitland wrote on Nov 10, 2009 9:48 AM:

" This is about PAYETTE, not Fruitland. Do people from Fruitland always have to put their noses in everyone elses business? Get lost. "

County wrote on Nov 10, 2009 9:27 AM:

" Lol @ the taxman. You must be a city employee if your griping about that. As for Williams, he will either leave everything the same or he will change some stuff up and really put the town in a world of hurt. "

confused wrote on Nov 9, 2009 10:49 PM:

" responding to "I know for a facts" comments. Hendersons "clan"..if one exists, used no scare tactics at any time..if at any point they showed the true face of a power hungry, sociopath, kicked out of multiple towns and churches, then so be it...If your that easily sold stay out of a car lot...oh wait we just elected a saleman who holds that exact kind of company.....good luck! "

PAYETTE wrote on Nov 9, 2009 3:13 PM:

" I only had to read it once to find the Payette results and I did not care about the Fruitland results either. "

SAME OL STUFF wrote on Nov 9, 2009 1:42 PM:

" This is the same ol stuff you hear year after year after year. Change, change, change. Obama campaigned on the same theory of change. That sure went well for us...... "

Called three times wrote on Nov 9, 2009 6:10 AM:

" I wonder if Henderson would have gotten all that support if people knew he has been hauled into court 6 times in the last 10 years for not paying his bills. Open government is going to bring amazing revelations about the current council.
Collect-a-check council. They don't care and they don't want to know. Just try and get one of them to even respond to a phone call, much less look into an issue. They all supported Doug Henderson, how completely tacky. All you Williams voters now know FOR SURE that they don't represent you, just the gang that let them do nothing and just collect-a-check!!! "

Payette County Resident wrote on Nov 9, 2009 6:04 AM:

" My address is Payette, and I live in the county and I get my fire protection from Payette Rural and by the way I pay for my fire protection on a yearly basis, So taxman you might say there are no free rides, for out of city residents "

Concerned wrote on Nov 8, 2009 10:00 PM:

" I am hoping that the tax payers of payette do not feel the same hit as those who rent from our new mayor and his wife. Maybe they are preparing for the tax hike by raising all their renters monthly rent by $200, which is pretty steep considering the economy. "

Fruitland wrote on Nov 8, 2009 6:19 PM:

" I had to read this article twice to find out who won the elections in Fruitland. Don't really care too much about the Payette results. I'm sure New Plymouth residents don't either. "

taxman wrote on Nov 8, 2009 8:11 AM:

" its time for sands to go we the taxpayer need to find out why city employees get payed to go to rural fires he thinks he runs the city "

fire lookout wrote on Nov 7, 2009 7:06 PM:

" time for the a change in the fire dept.lets go jeff "

Lucy wrote on Nov 6, 2009 5:58 PM:

" To "For sure" so your big complaint is the rural fire department portion is being paid by the city dwellers. I understood the people in the county pay a rural fire fee, if this isn't their fair share, instead of crying about it, go to meetings with the city council members and county commissioners. Start a petition. Do something other then be as angry as you are. To the poor man who thinks Mr. Williams is going to lower taxes, and if he can't then what. Oh, I know you can be like President Obama and blame it all on the person leaving office and oh yea, blame it on the new fire station. "

i know for a fact wrote on Nov 6, 2009 12:14 PM:

" I know for a fact that Henderson's clan used these same scare tactics when he ran against Vall Klitch.....Im glad it finally came to an end. "

pixie wrote on Nov 6, 2009 12:10 PM:

" Lucy, you were the one that wanted an answer... "

Just thinking..... wrote on Nov 6, 2009 10:55 AM:

" Thank you all for correcting my est pop statement. My bottom line still remains. The turn out was way low. If the pop is....even....9000 that makes the turn out 12.4%. Not much better. The point I was trying to make is that your community is letting a small percentage dictate what happens. Get involved and vote. Let your voice be heard the first time and not sit back and grumble because you don't like the results!!!! "

for sure wrote on Nov 6, 2009 9:47 AM:

" Hey Lucy, looks like you have not got a clue...YES his taxes are going up.....you can not take a 4000 sf building put it into a 16000 sf building and not have the costs go up...scare NO, truth yes! This new firestation WILL increase taxes, especially since all the surplus monies are spent and the budget can no longer be balanced with the savings account....more importantly, who is paying the Rural Fire Departments portion? We the city dwellers..... "

Lucy wrote on Nov 6, 2009 9:14 AM:

" Pixie
You say you came from the big city, well good for you. Maybe what you saw going on in the big city, you don't want to see happen here, reality check, it happens everywhere. You talked about scaring the elderly. This is what I saw happen here. I had a man come to me in his 90's and he went on and on how Jeff Williams told him the fire department bought a vehicle they didn't need and wasting money. He also said he was told we don't need a new fire station ( made this man believe the cost of the new fire station would make his taxes go up). He kept repeating to me I can't afford for my taxes to go up. This was on election day, he said he needed to go and vote and he was voting for Jeff Williams because he didn't want his taxes to go up and Jeff was going to prevent that. Now whether Jeff said that or not I don't know, I wasn't there but this was this man's opinion and I respected his opinion and even offered to take him to vote. Now is this scaring the elderly, I think so. Only time will tell, how Jeff Williams will do as mayor and he needs the chance to show what he can or can't do. What I don't like to see is all this hate towards one or another. For the sake of this town, it needs to be let go of. If your candidate won be happy and move forward, if he didn't help the town by helping to move forward. "

Pixie wrote on Nov 6, 2009 7:44 AM:

" To Mr or Mrs Really,
I'm not one sided or narrow minded.....
I heard the facts, both sides, you should have made the time to be at the meeting..
I worked that day and made a mad rush to to get there. You can't spread rumors and innuendos about your opponent and not expect it to get back to the whole town.
I came from the big City. I've seen candidates try to scare the elderly about their opponent and told them he was going to take their home through eminent domain. It was a bold faced lie. Payette is now our home. I did not want to see scare tactics used here.I think candidates who use them can't and shouldn't be put in the public trust.In this case the scare tactic was jobs. Jobs are very scarce here, and ripe for abuse. We do need change. If we keep going the way we were headed, downtown Payette could become a ghost town. We need a Mayor who has vision and has the ability to revitalize our town. Not someone who just wants to be friends with people, and likes the idea of being called Mayor. It is a position of public trust and is responsible to the people. It doesn't matter whether he won by 2 votes, 20 votes or 2000 votes. The bottom line is, we have a new Mayor and I believe the people of Payette have made a good choice. "

Check your numbers wrote on Nov 6, 2009 7:18 AM:

" To Just Thinking, here is what I think, and not to discredit your idea that more people should become involved, the number you used, 22966, is probably the population of Payette County, not Payette the City. "

hello wrote on Nov 6, 2009 5:35 AM:

" The population of the City of Payette is less than 9000. The entire County was not eligible to vote, only City residents of more than 30 days. Re think your numbers. Henderson DID lose his composure, shouting at the audience in his closing statement...typical of his behavior, childish. Good Luck finding a next career King Doug. "

for sure wrote on Nov 6, 2009 12:19 AM:

" really thinking...you must have confused the total numbers for Payette County with the City of Payette...go back to the numbers board and try again...the City of Payette has roughly eight thousandish people give or take a few hundred....You are right about one thing...many did not vote, therefore they defer to the winner....ain't democracy grand! "

Carol wrote on Nov 5, 2009 8:24 PM:

" I didn't realize city employees, firefighters, policemen and their families came to 548 people for this small town. I am sure Mr. Williams got most of his votes from realtors and their families. If so, what is wrong with that, it is our right to vote how we feel. Instead of keeping the anger going,which seems what "opinoin" is feeling, why not be happy your candidate won and say something positive. By the way, I voted for Mr. Henderson and I don't personally know any of the city employees, policemen or firefighters and I didn't hear any of the rumors. I voted how I felt. I am not angry Mr. Henderson lost, I just hope Mr. Williams can do what he promises to do. "

proud of payette wrote on Nov 5, 2009 7:58 PM:

" Mr. williams if your listening. Me and my friends voted for you because we thought you would represent the city more professionaly. We have compitent leaders and city employees that represent the various departments very effectivly. In the past several years things have been running smothly with out controversay. PLease do not make us regret being responsible for putting you over the top with the twenty votes. A true leader will find a way to bring the other half together for the better of our community. We have faith you can do this. Don't forget, 568 had faith in you. 548 did not. 7000 were comfortable either way? "

just thinking........ wrote on Nov 5, 2009 11:24 AM:

" So I did a quick search on the poplulation of Payette, ID. The 2008 est population was 22966 people. But an estimated 27.5% were under the age of 18....so 6316 couldn't vote. That leaves 16650 people that could potentially vote. (This still includes the percent of Payette that can't vote because they either lost their right to vote or they are not citizens or for other reasons not stated or implied.) The total votes for Mayor was 1116. That is 7% of the potential voteable residents of Payette County. So.....whoever is complaining that half the city didn't want Jeff Williams as Mayor might want to rethink their numbers. 4.9% of 7% of the people that voted chose someone else...93% chose not to vote!!!!! Now let's hear the 93% complain. My thoughts are.......If you don't vote......You lose your right to complain!!!!! 7% is a sad turnout.

Congratulations Mr. Williams on getting 5.1% of the estimated voteable population to listen and agree with you. When the other 97.3% of the people start wanting your help in getting their agendas met......remember.....they either didn't vote for you or they just plain didn't vote!!!! Harsh but a reality. Payette.....wake up. Voting is a right and a privilege. Utilize it and get something done in your community!!!

I am defintely playing a numbers game here but the bottom line stays the same. Who voted for this President and who complains about him and who supports him? If you didn't vote, you opinion doesn't matter!!!!! "

REALLY wrote on Nov 5, 2009 10:27 AM:

" Really Pixie?? I was unable to be at the forum as I wanted too but have talked to several people who were there. Some liked Dougs thoughts and some like Jeffs thoughts. Nobody described Doug as being unprepared and acting like a spoiled child. Its not like Mr. Williams ran away with the election. With only twenty votes seperating them I would think that not many people saw it the way you did. Im interested as in what change would you like to see in Payette? Maybe blog some of these along with some facts rather than your one sided narrow minded statements. "

Pixie wrote on Nov 5, 2009 8:59 AM:

" My husband and I went to the forum and listened to each side, at the end Doug was acting like a spoiled child, was not prepared,
It was like vote for me, he was not composed
at all...
Jeff was collected and cool as a cucumber..
This small town needs to have change.
If you don't have change, things just seem to fade away, and then why would you want to live in Payette...
I had Faith that Jeff would win... "

opinion wrote on Nov 5, 2009 7:29 AM:

" It wasn't half the City it was the city employees, firefighters and policeman and families that were fed the line of losing their jobs if Williams was elected, how stupid is that! The rumor mill was rampant with unfounded lies, started by Henderson supporters. Must be fun to work under such conditions! "

WHAT wrote on Nov 4, 2009 11:39 AM:

" Williams felt he won cause he got his message out and people wanted better communication? He won by 20 votes, meaning basiclly half the city did not want him! Could have gone either way, wish the best for him. "

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