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Police seek federal help on anti-gang effort



Ontario—Ontario Police Department officials met with members of a local branch of the Federal Bureau of Investigation late last month to discuss local gangs and how to use federal resources to combat Ontario’s growing illegal syndicate problem.

“They brought federal resources to the table,” Ontario Police Chief Mike Kee said of the meeting.

Kee said the FBI plans to contribute manpower and are better equipped to handle complex gang issues.

Kee said, though the Metro Violent Crime task force is busy with other cases right now, the task force will bring indictment warrants on some current gang members by mid-summer.

He said most of the members of the task force were from Ada and Canyon Counties.

Kee said Ontario plans to use the information-gathering abilities of the FBI to help place gang members in custody on indictments.

“This is not just an Ontario problem,” Kee said. “It’s a Malheur County, Payette County, Ada County problem ... It’s a regional problem.”

He also said with Ontario’s limited resources, it is hard to prosecute a person who is a known gang member in Ontario who commits crimes in other cities such as Nampa.

“The federal government has the ability to put these things together,” he said.

Ontario Police Department Det. Tomas Elizondo, who attended the meeting, said traveling from city to city is the main issue, not crossing state lines.

“It would be the same issue if we were in central Oregon, and they were committing crimes in other cities,” he said.

Elizondo stressed the importance of communication. If a person leaves Caldwell and commits a crime in Ontario before returning to Caldwell, that poses an issue for Ontario law enforcement. Officers here, he said, may not be able to recognize that person because they have not made contact with that person before.

“We don’t know who that is,” he said.

Kee pointed to resources such as surveillance equipment and radios as helpful additions to the area war on gangs. He also cited more court-centeric approaches as helpful avenues for law enforcement.

“One of the things they have that we don’t have is that they have a prosecutor that is just doing gang cases,” he said. “Ask (Malheur County District Attorney) Dan Norris how much time he spends on gang cases, and he would probably tell you that it’s no more time than he spends on any other crime.”

Norris said, though he has seen an increase in gang crime as of late, he still devotes appropriate time to a crime such as an assault, whether it was gang related or not. He also spoke highly of OPD reaching out for these resources, since some federal statutes have longer sentences than state ones.

“Especially if those are drug crimes,” he said.

Kee also said that working with the federal government makes it easier under the U.S. Constitution to acquire search warrants and telephone listening warrants.

He also said the Metro Violent Crime task force is not contributing money to Ontario to help combat gang crimes —at least not directly.

“Work is money,” he said, since time spent on the job costs the task force money.

Kee said with gang issues, OPD doesn’t typically need money, but instead requires resources.

“It comes down to resources,” Elizondo said.

The cases in question, he said, are not different or any more dangerous than any other gang case. However, they do involve gang members traveling out of state to commit crimes.

Kee said OPD, especially Elizondo, have been working for a few months in an effort to gain assistance from the Metro Violent Crime task force.  

“I got ahold of them,” Elizondo said of the talks. “We asked them questions about how to combat gangs and if they had any ideas.”

Elizondo said the phone tapping and surveillance equipment would be available upon request, but said he was unsure if the need would arise. 




Comment Blog - Note: All Comments Subject To Approval

Seriously wrote on Feb 22, 2009 6:03 PM:

" To "Increadible"
By the way it's IncreDIBLE, close....but no cigar.
Anyhow, something tells me that you're the kind of person who NEEDS SOMETHING to complain about...the type of person who is NEVER happy.
It amazes me how quickly you are to give direction to the local police. Heck maybe you should use your real name, and leave your number, so whenever need be, the police can consult ye ol' "increadible" one! HAHA OR NOT!!
In the mean time appreciate what our law enforcement does for us, and before you act on the urge to complain, ask yourself if YOU could do any better. My guess would be no, but if you think you could, why not give it a whirl? I'd be interested to see the outcome... "

A wrote on Feb 21, 2009 11:28 PM:

" That was indeed a terrible thing that happened. It doesn't say in that article, but the driver of the RX-7 was also riding on racing slicks, so it kinda makes me think he was possibly doing test runs, but instead of picking a wide open road with no traffic or homes or paying for time at a track, he picked the most traveled road in Caldwell, which regardless of why, it was still irresponsible and they lost their lives because of it and who knows what kinda of damage physically/mentally was done to the other people involed.

But how often is a child molested/kidnapped/etc compared to how many people are killed in an accident like this one? I bet accidents like this, where its someone driving in extreme excess of the speed limit, rarely happen. Most accidents are just that...accidents. This "accident", like most of the "accidents" we read about in the papers or hear on the tv, are all just time bombs waiting to go off considering the high speed they were traveling on heavily traveled public roads.

So thats basically stating that you would rather a cop was sitting on the corner with a radar gun catching speeders, than actively patroling an area where a child could be kidnapped.

The cops in caldwell are dealing with what is most important at this time, and speeders are not on that list. It is sad to read about a wreck like this, but its' 1000 times worse to read about something happening to a child.

Human beings need room for "error" whether it is out of accident, or stupidity. To lose the room for error, which basically robs of a person of the right to act human, takes away any real reason for living. What good would this world be, if everything was perfect and nothing bad ever happened, and we all walked around in straight lines and smiled all day long? Sounds pretty boring and pointless to me if everyday I woke up, everything went my way.

I am not saying that there can't be punishment for these errors handed down depending on the circumstances of an individual error, just that the room for error must be present.

And before anyone starts in on the "if it happened to you" bit, don't, because I'll tell you this....it HAS happened to me and my family, and more than once, in fact more than 2 or even 3 times. I've lost friends, loved ones, neighbors, etc to the "accidents" and also the the "time bombs" in my life, and they have hit right inside my home and not just something I read about in the paper that happened 30 miles from here. So I indeed do know what it feels like to have something like that steal someone you love away from you because of someone elses accident/time bomb.

But that is life, and how a person deals with it is what matters. You can't just pad every wall in this world and keep everyone in a neat little line and expect them to feel alive at the same time. Humans just don't work like that....we need some room for error in all aspects of our lives.

Not to mention that if you put cops on every street corner in America, then the entire reason this country was founded will die, because the day we look out our windows and see cops everywhere, is the same day freedom will cease to exist. "

yeah OPD wrote on Feb 21, 2009 12:00 PM:

" Yeah put down the radars, because we can allow these types of things to happen: http://www.ktvb.com/news/localnews/stories/ktvbn-feb2009-caldwell_fatal_accident.36515c08.html
Catch the real criminals, they dont drive cars and go fast. I bet the people in caldwell and the families involved are saying where are the cops when you need them and running radar in this area, because if the cops where doing so this would not have happened and affected some many lives. What a bunch of dead brained people. With no clue at all. "

A wrote on Feb 20, 2009 5:06 AM:

" Wow, alot of name calling there. Maybe you should grow up a little bit and show some class.

The thought of a cop on every corner scares me. What kind of a country is it when people are walking around like sheep and kept in line with no room for error? Thats not living, that's being herded and controlled.

You want to live in that kind of world, go ahead. I'll stick to something realistic that still allows me to make my own decisions as a human being rather than a cop standing over my shoulder making them for me.


If our system is flawed to the point that our officers are babysitting people out there, then lets change how we handle that and reform our enforement/criminal justice laws, you know, as apposed to turning it into a police state and everyone losing their rights to make their own decisions in life. But if thats what you want, I'm sure North Korea would love to have you.

And the gang bangers only make money on drugs because drugs are illegal, mainly marijuana.

Our laws have given drugs their value, and opened the door to these drug cartels and gangs to have the most profitable business in the world, which in turns puts money in their hands to purchase weapons to terroize the citizens.

Freedom comes with a price, and that price, is that even though we are free, we are not always protected. Thats okay with me, because freedom is worth that small sacrifice. If you have forgotten, millions have given their lives for freedom over the course of many years, I think the least we can do is accept a small risk in personal safety considering, again, millions died for it. Safety is an illusion anyway, anything can happen to anyone of us at anytime. Sure you can try to be safe about something, but you are never "safe" just because you took a few measures to attempt to ensure your safety....kinda like cops on every street corner. I'd rather accept the risks, and live free, than have a cop standing over my shoulder trying to protect me from the "unknown" that you seem to be so afraid of.

I've said this many times, I am in no way against law enforcement, I respect the people that can do a job like that and we need people like that no doubt. My frustrations, atleast the root of my frustrations, are not with the officers themselves, but its with our flawed enforcement practices and what our government is doing to our country.

"dead brained people" LOL. Thank you, I needed a good laugh to start my day. "

lol wrote on Feb 19, 2009 4:27 PM:

" Some people just dont get it. If the cops did not have to babysit so many people each day, they could do more police work. But there is many people out there that think they need to call the police to raise their kids, talk to their neighbors because their dog is barking or their leaves are blowing into their yard because they dont rake them up, ect. But yeah lets bash the cops and let the gangbangers rob the stores in our community, spray paint buildings, sell drugs, steal from our cars that are parked in our driveways when we are asleep and break into our houses when we are hard at work. So I see why you dead brained people would want no more police on the streets keeping us safe. Oh and take the police off the streets from giving out tickets to slow people down and getting the drunks off the streets, good idea dead brain. Now my kids cant ride their bikes in safety. "

P.M. Snotzburger wrote on Feb 19, 2009 7:17 AM:

" You just don't get it. OPD needs any help they can get. These gangbangers are domestic terrorists! Let the feds knock their heads as it should be! "

great...... wrote on Feb 17, 2009 11:32 PM:

" just what we need. more law enforcement control and less money for our schools, libraries and community programs. when the kids have NOTHING to do they can hang out get arrested and go through the system and pay fines and fees for the next 20 or 30 years of their lives. this is called job creation since we can hire lots more gov workers and construction companies to build prisons and more law enforcement to over see the 'masses' of people who were idiots when they were 15 and who lost out on an education when they were forced into overcrowded classrooms with inadequate curriculum because of budget cuts. (I think this is called a police state?) "

A wrote on Feb 12, 2009 6:47 PM:

" LOL, well I've never had a problem with a barking dog, but I assure you that I would address it with the neighbor in a civil way, as that is a simple thing to handle and does not require a police officer as it is a trivial matter that grown adults can handle themselves.

I don't worry about people parked infront of my mailbox because it doesn't actually matter to me if they do or not, I walk to my mailbox and it's not that hard to reach around some inconsiderate persons car to get my mail on the once a year occasion that at the time I actually want to get my mail, that there is someone parked infront of my mailbox.

And, I have always told my kids to never throw the the first punch, but make sure you throw the second one and make it count. They wouldn't hurt a fly, that is atleast unless the fly hurt, or tried to hurt them first.

And you must be that guy that makes random, off the wall asumptions that are totally incorrect, which in turn only proves that you have no opinion or thoughts on the subject at hand because the best you can do is run your mouth.


And I realize that my retorts to your assumptions were not neccessary as you were just, again, running your mouth, but I think most will get the point as to why I did what I did.

I'll tell you right now, I wouldn't want to be a cop, I'm not cut out for it. No big deal to me, I do what I do and love it, that's me, being a cop, isn't me.

But a cop that doesn't do his job, doesn't deserve his job. If you want to be a cop or you are a cop, then you better take care of what matters and in a reasonable amount of time. If you aren't up to it, then find a new profession because the profession of being a cop, is a demanding one and requires more sacrifice than most any other profession, if not the most. Some can do it, some can't, and all I'm saying is if you aren't going to give it 100%, then hit the road because I'd rather see my tax dollars go to someone who is willing to make that sacrifice. "

Dear Incredible wrote on Feb 11, 2009 7:08 AM:

" I think I know you. You are the guy that bitches and moans about the police, that is until your neighbors dog is barking, or someone parks in fornt of your mailbox, or the kids at school are picking on your sissy kid. Then instead of manning up and trying to work the problem out you call the PoPo and let them be the bad guys.

Truth is you wouldn't make a pimple on a policemans a$$. "

A wrote on Feb 9, 2009 11:41 PM:

" I have to agree with both of you. It was either get the officers doing what matters, or calling in someone who would.

Apparently, they did the later of the two. "

P.M. Snotzburger wrote on Feb 8, 2009 10:48 AM:

" Finally! Some help from the Feds. After all, these "gangs" are a form of domestic terrorism! Time to eradicate these thugs! "

Increadible wrote on Feb 8, 2009 6:02 AM:

" Hey Kee! Here is a novel idea. Take the radar guns out of the patrol cars and make these guys do some REAL police work! A trained chimp can set up and run a speed trap or watch cross walks. A real cop does the investigative work and goes after these gang scum and dopers. Im sure all of us taxpayers would love to see more arrests and less "low rent" law enforcement around here. I know its easier for your guys to sit and point that radar down the road or be a glorified crossing guard, but come on! Sure its going to take more work and Im sure that they wont want to hear that, but make them do the job that they applied for. "


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