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Schedule debate
Ontario School District ponders discarding academic plan



JESSICA KELLER | ARGUS OBSERVER Nyssa High School math teacher Jessica Rodriguez speaks to her Algebra class prior to handing out an assignment Friday morning. The Nyssa School District switched from block scheduling to the traditional seven-period class day, now eight, in 2001 because high school students were not reaching student achievement goals under the block schedule.
ONTARIO — The Ontario School District has just recently begun to contemplate switching back from block scheduling to a traditional school day, but it wouldn’t be the first district in the area to do so.

Currently the Ontario School District uses the A/B, 8-period block schedule where students attend four periods for about 85 minutes in one day and the other four periods the next day, alternating.

Both the Nyssa and Weiser school districts tried block schedules with about 90 minutes of class time per subject in the past, but both returned to the traditional schedule for various reasons.

When Nyssa School District Superintendent Don Grotting came to Nyssa in 2000, block scheduling was used at the high school, but by 2001, a traditional seven-period schedule was implemented.

“When I came here, they had a block schedule, and I did not think it was conducive to giving students the best possible chance to pass state requirements for tests,” he said.

At the time, Grotting said, Nyssa High School was not meeting state standards and was “failing.” He said block scheduling is beneficial and conducive to greater learning in some content areas, such as science labs, vocational and art classes, where an extended amount of time for hands on activity is ideal. On the other hand, Grotting said he thinks it can be detrimental to student achievement in other core subjects, such as English, math, writing and some science classes, and in band and foreign language classes, where daily review is often needed.

“Students just did not have those core subjects every day, and some of them really needed that intensity of every day practice to become successful,” he said, adding it especially helps with English language learners who needed the daily repetition with their language acquisition.

In his opinion, the decision paid off.

“We saw some immediate gains, and I wouldn’t attribute that all to just going to a different schedule,” he said. “I still think the bottom line is the teacher and the support that the teachers are given in the classroom and to have a focus on your teachers and what you’re teaching on.”

The Weiser School District implemented the block scheduling model in the 1998 to 1999 school year as a four-year experiment, Weiser Director of Special Services Will Overgaard, who was the high school principal at the time, said.

He said the school district spent a year and a half studying the block scheduling model and then implemented it. After the four years was up, Overgaard said the school district opted not to continue with block scheduling for a couple of reasons. The main reason was student achievement. The school district, when implementing a block schedule, had hoped it would improve student achievement. That, however, did not happen among the middle- and lower-level students, Overgaard said. Instead, he said they found many of the students in the advanced courses did really well and loved the block schedule, but the younger freshmen and sophomores and the students who were not as advanced did not respond as well to the every-other-day schedule.

“The struggling kids struggled sooner and over a longer period of time,” Overgaard said, adding administrators and educators determined the “best and the brightest were going to be the best and the brightest regardless how the days were scheduled.”

In addition, absenteeism was a problem, Overgaard said, adding if a student missed class on Thursday, that student would have missed six days of class since he or she last went to class on Tuesday.

 Weiser High School Principal David Davies, who was a high school math teacher at the time, said, in his experience, the schedule worked really well for the students in his advanced math courses, who did not necessarily need the daily repetition of class time and who benefited from an extended time for discussion. The younger and lower-level students, however, needed that daily interaction in the class, Davies said. He, too, said absenteeism or any interruption in class times, such as assemblies, were a problem for the students and one of the teachers’ biggest complaints.

“It made it really difficult to get the consistency that we needed in our math classes,” Davies said.

Davies said, with more class time to discuss topics, teachers were able to cover topics more in depth, which they appreciated, but there seemed to be a trade-off.

“We did not get as far through the curriculum than with the traditional schedule,” Davies said.

Overgaard said administrators actually hoped teachers would teach to a “deeper level of understanding” with block scheduling.

“That was one of the tradeoffs that may have affected our student achievement the way it did,” he said.

Overgaard said, at the end of the four years, administrators decided it would be best if the district returned to a traditional schedule and did not pursue a modified block schedule like some other school districts have and work really well, such as Middleton High School’s.

With the significant costs of having to adjust to new graduation requirements, which was not viable at the time, to the fact the district did not achieve all it hoped, a move back to traditional was agreed upon.

Since that time, he said, federal and state requirements have changed, and Weiser administrators feel the traditional schedule better allows the school district to address the demands.

For Davies, having taught in both scheduling models, it is a toss-up as to which he liked better. The extra prep time was nice, he said, and the block schedule catered better to the advanced students. On the other hand, some other students struggled.

“I really did want to see those kids every day,” he said. “So for me, it was a toss-up. It really was.”




Comment Blog - Note: All Comments Subject To Approval

OHS new student wrote on Jan 25, 2009 11:58 AM:

" I am a new student at OHS. At my old school in Texas, I have 8 periods a day. It was ridiculous. I never got all of my work done, I was stressed out 24/7, I never had time to study for tests, and our lab and art classes were always rushed. I am now at OHS and love the Block scheduling. My grades have been so much better, I am able to complete all of my work for every class, and I feel like I really get to know my teachers. The most important thing though is that my test scores have gone up extremely.
It's not that we students don't want change. We just don't want a bad change. Trust me, block scheduling is much more effective. "

MOM wrote on Jan 23, 2009 2:50 PM:

" I think that students who are achivers will adjust very well to any change that they will encounter now or in the future. Student who put off doing homework because they don't have that class the next day will have to get their homework done. "

to HRL...even though wrote on Jan 21, 2009 8:06 PM:

" Burns goes to the same classes every single day unlike MOST block schedules. Ontario has "A" day and "B" day. Sadly there are a lot of sports that only fall on an 'A' day or on a 'B' day especially baseball. WHEN this happens a student will sometimes miss those "A" day classes for a whole week or more. Very unproductive. And you wonder why they can pass the SIM or any of the bench marks.... its crazy!!!! "

HRL wrote on Jan 21, 2009 1:11 PM:

" By definition, Burns' trimester schedule is still considered a "block schedule." "

To Anecdote wrote on Jan 21, 2009 12:37 PM:

" So is that an excuse for lying or even an excuse to believe a liar and spoil a principals credability? Everybody has a sad story...overcome it!!! "

to HRL wrote on Jan 21, 2009 10:36 AM:

" Burns is NOT on a block schedule. They are on a TRIMESTER schedule which allows for 5 classes a day. The same 5 classes EVERY DAY...not every other day. It takes 2 trimesters to attain one yearly credit. It's different but it works for rural Oregon. Plus we do not have school on Fridays. "

Ray Dickerson wrote on Jan 21, 2009 10:05 AM:

" To Get Real and JIM. What we say and what we think does not make one whit of a difference. In Obama’s speech yesterday, he said the schools are failing too many kids. Most Americans would interpret what he said to mean that the schools needed to do a better job as “Get Real” suggests and be held accountable for results; however, since Obama is beholden to the NEA, the Nation’s largest labor union, I interpreted the line to mean he wants more money and more members for the NEA, the children are just a means to that end.

All of what we say is not new. In April 1983, the now famous document, “A Nation at Risk” was produced. It concluded that the Nation’s performance and standing were being eroded by a rising tide of mediocrity . This now famous line has been lifted from the document: “ If an unfriendly foreign power had attempted to impose on America the mediocre educational performance that exists today, we might well have viewed it as an act of war.” That was 1983. Since then we’ve seen program after program that spent countless billions of dollars on failed changes, almost none of which have called for solutions such as “Get Real” suggests. There is massive denial within the educational industry, especially in the schools of education that continue to teach the failed techniques that brought us to the 1983 report. And, the NEA and others used the crisis declaration to impose their liberal agenda through the nationalization of curricula, that brought on National Testing, National/State Standards, assessments vs. objective testing and the gross expansion of staff to collect data, which unfortunately also compounded the work the already busy teachers had to perform.

I spent two years of my life and considerable personal treasure working to oppose the Goals 2000 program and Oregon’s 21st Century Schools ideas, to no avail. None of the goals of 2000 were met, and most of the billions spent on the Oregon model went down the drain as the programs were later abandoned, as I predicted.

When I hear all the “hate America” speech that takes place in the media and in public comments, I know it has come from years of miss-education and the indoctrination that has taken place in the schools, much from the NEA agenda, the changes in text books, the rewriting of History and the failure of the schools to focus on basic educations. There is so much that could be done to correct what I see as malfeasance and misfeasance, with the children and the taxpayers as the victims, but who among us could ever get it done. Even Teacher who writes on these blogs, (who may or may not really be a teacher) expresses fear of reprisal if he/she speaks out from within the system.

The only solution, and we may get it from an Obama administration, is to give parents choice. As I reported the other day, only 13% of Oregonians would send their children to public schools if they had alternatives. That approval rating makes GW look like John Wayne. I know Jim, too long winded. "

Get Real wrote on Jan 21, 2009 5:59 AM:

" The system is muddy. It is time to clear it up and get back to what works. Strict guidlines and very little tolerance for variation is what is needed at this age. Until we quit making this more complicated than it needs to be our children will suffer. I can tell you from experience that if you want to make a difference for these young people, expect more and dont settle for anything less than better than average. It is a job that people get paid to do and if it is not getting done it may be time to employ someone who is truly committed and able to earn the pay that we are handing out. It is time !!The begining is, dont settle for mediocrity teachers !! And administrators, simplify !! Do what you get paid to do or get out of the way and find something that you can be successfull at ! "

Anecdote again wrote on Jan 20, 2009 8:54 PM:

" OK, since you "asked" while you were calling my nephew a liar, his father passed away a couple of years ago from cancer. "

Sam wrote on Jan 20, 2009 10:47 AM:

" 2 things that I see effecting Ed.

#1) the new family and moving away from traditional families.

#2) There is no advanced classes or lower classes like there needs to be. Special Ed kids are in classes with highly advanced kids. That is a huge problem for teachers to try and reach everybody when they spend time modifying everything to the special needs kid. "

HRL wrote on Jan 20, 2009 8:23 AM:

" Ok, Tigerlawyer congratulations. You're right a 960 would be good enough to get you into maybe a junior college, not a top level university. During that time, however, I know that OHS was producing the 2nd highest SAT scores in the valley. The only school that averaged higher was Bishop Kelley which is a private school who can choose their students. Your story isn't adding up. I have to admit, I've never before heard anyone say that Mr. Schauer's Calculus class is too easy or that Mr. Thompson's advanced science classes were too easy and didn't prepare them properly for college. The institutions that give college credit for those courses don't think they are too easy. Give us more specifics. Let's see where we need to improve. "

JIM P. wrote on Jan 20, 2009 8:06 AM:

" DANG RAY YOU ARE LONG WINDED..LOL CHECK THIS OUT FOR A BRIEF COMPARISON..

RELIGIOUS LITERACY BY STEPHEN PROTHERO


IT DOES TOUCH BASE ON WORLD EDUCATION OF ALL SUBJECTS AND HOW THE AMERICANS TOOK A STEP BACK BY NOT EDUCATING THE KIDS NOT THE YOUTH.

HOPEFULLY PEOPLE CAN GET A PIC AND SEE WHAT KIND OF EDUCATION OUR CHILDREN ARE MISSING OUT ON. NOT TEACHERS NOT STUDENTS JUST THE CIRRICULUM IS SO WEAK..
OUR KIDS RESORT TO DRUGS AND ALCOHOL BECAUSE AT A VERY EALRY AGE THEY ARE NOT CHALLENGED BY THE SYSTEM. MY DAUGHTER CAN HANDLE SO MUCH MORE THAN HER TEACHER IS GIVING HER BUT IT IS STATE CIRRICULUM. SO WHERE DO WE GO FROM HERE? "

To Anecdote wrote on Jan 20, 2009 6:57 AM:

" So you are putting your trust in the opinion of your nephew about the principal. Your story goes to prove that anything that your Nephew says in untrustworthy. Why do you believe his story about the principal? And even if the story is true...why would the principal waste his time on a kid who doesn't care enough about himself when he has probably 50 teachers to watch over plus the other 850 studetns? Why don't you put the blame on your sister and her child? Where is the father of the child? Maybe blame to him too. Stop pointing fingers at everybody to find blame when the blame is right in the house where the child lives. The blame goes to the child himself and his family. Mostly to the child. "

Anecdote wrote on Jan 19, 2009 2:20 PM:

" My nephew goes to OHS. I personally think he is a lazy little #$$^&, but he is young and I hope he can change. He is failing half of his classes and getting D's in the other half. I spend a lot of time at my sister's home and try my best to offer help with schoolwork when I can. My nephew complains that his classes, especially English, are just "too hard" and the teacher is "mean". After I wrestled his bag and binder away from him I looked through his English coursework. Nothing I found was too tough. It all seemed to make sense and when I asked him what the problem was he said that he didn't have time to do it like "Miss" wants. He even explained to me, in detail, what the teacher wanted and obviously understood the project that was assiged. He just didn't WANT to apply himself. I asked him what the teacher does when he doesn't do his work and said, "Oh, like she can really DO anything about it. The only thing that school ever does is make you talk to the stupid principal, and all he does is just make some stupid joke and says, 'no be good'. How lame is that!"

How lame indeed.

So there is the problem with my nephew. His teacher lines out the project, he refuses to do it because it interferes with his busy social schedule and then the principal makes a joke and says "Be Good" and sends him back to the classroom.

The problem isn't the teacher here, the problem is that the teacher has no support from the damned principal.

This may not help, but niether does all the talk about changing schedules and taking out sports and moaning about some old geezer who likes to take pot shots an read a lot of newspapers. I just want my nephew to have a chance to get into college, just like the Tigerlawyer, regardless of how "easy" it was for him.

Regards,
Primo "

To HRL from TigerLawyer wrote on Jan 19, 2009 2:12 PM:

" My SAT score was 960. For those of you not familiar with the SAT, that is an awful score. I would also like to point out I had an honors diploma and was on the National Honor Society. Yea, OHS really prepared me. "

HRL wrote on Jan 19, 2009 1:49 PM:

" OK Tigerlawyer, you were unhappy. I have sons who went to other area schools and found the same thing. Many say the proof is in the standardized test scores. I am curious as to what your SAT and ACT scores were coming out of OHS. That would be the "proof" of your poor education. If you graduated in the top 10% of your law class I'm guessing SAT 1300+ and ACT 30+. Am I right? Both of those scores would put you in the top 10% of college bound students nationally. If you achieved what you did with lower test scores than those, congratualtions. I know that OHS has a student this year with a perfect 36 on the ACT. Like Ray says, test scores don't lie. Bottom line, if OHS was too easy for you, it's probably because you let it be too easy for you. In education like anything else, you only get out of it what you are willing to put in to it. Good luck with your career. "

Teacher wrote on Jan 19, 2009 10:33 AM:

" Ray: We ARE scared to death. "

To HRL from Tigerlawyer wrote on Jan 19, 2009 7:14 AM:

" I actually graduated in the top 10% of my law school class. Believe me, that is in no way thanks to the Ontario High School. It was through years of hard work, especially in my first years of college. I was light years behind my classmates coming out of high school....especially those who went to private schools.

I could round up dozens of high school friends who would love to shed some light on why Ontario schools are doing so poorly. They all have similar stories to mine.

Fact is, Ontario High School IS TOO EASY...A JOKE IN FACT. It needs to be made much more rigorous and teachers all need to be doing more. Believe me, I was there.

I was responsible for my college education and will be paying back student loans for the next 30 years. I was always upset with the teachers who didn't give me my monies worth in college. Looking back at my Ontario High School education, I can say with certanity, I did not get my monies worth. I just thank God my parents instilled a work ethic that allowed me the ability to make up what I missed from high school and still make something of myself. (if you call becoming a lawyer making something of yourself:)) "

HRL wrote on Jan 18, 2009 9:46 PM:

" Actually I couldn't wait for Ray to get back to it so I checked myself. La Salle Prep and Marist High School, both private schools similar in size to OHS use a form of the AB block schedule. Locally in Eastern Oregon, Burns is on a block schedule and La Grande is on a block schedule. Also, the block schedule has been in Ontario since the mid '90's, so Tigerlawyer must have gone through it as well. Since he made it through law school, it must not have harmed him that bad. It's easy to react with a knee jerk when all of your information has been slanted one way. It's not that difficult to become really informed. Google "school schedules" and you will come up with a long list of research studies that talk about the merits of the different types of schedules. Read some. This isn't someones opinion or anecdotal evidence. This is scientific inquiry. Probably won't change many minds but it might make you at least feel like you are speaking from somewhere other than just a "shot in the dark" opinion. The internet is a wonderful place. It allows us to inform ourselves before we get on a blog and sound ignorant. "

HRL wrote on Jan 18, 2009 9:24 PM:

" So Ray.

Instead of quoting political propoganda, why not find out what kind of schedule La Salle Prep or Marist High School or any of the other perfect private schools uses. All it would take is a few phone calls. You could probably even find out by going to their web sites. That is what this blog is about. I don't think it was set up strictly so that Ray Dickerson could have a forum to indiscriminately bash about education in general. Also, ask them how they deal with their special needs and non-English speaking students. They do have them, right? "

Ray Dickerson wrote on Jan 18, 2009 10:00 AM:

" If all of the educators have Master’s Degrees and the kids are still failing, what is with that? If all the well meaning people who serve and have served on School Boards have not made a dent in the performance factors, how would my service change anything? If I appeared before the School Board and got three minutes to discuss something, if I could ever manage to get it on the agenda, how would that make a difference?

One blogger questioned the performance of American students with those of other countries. You can use your browser to find results by typing in “International Academic Testing” or similar entries and find what you’re looking for. Here is something from a US Government site: “Results In short, the tests showed U.S. fourth-graders performing poorly, middle school students worse. and high school students are unable to compete.” These are tests in math and science, which are the only two subjects for which a reasonable comparison is possible. I don’t make this stuff up.

In today’s Arizona Republic Newspaper, on-line, is an article about how traditional schools in Arizona are thriving. It explains that moving away from many of the fad structures and philosophies of progressive education are paying results. The schools use the passing of standardized tests as the starting point and push the kids to do much better. The full article is available by accessing “The Arizona Republic” selecting Valley and State Section and the article, “Traditional schools thriving in Valley.” It basically says that desks are in neat rows facing the front, not in clusters that some public schools use. Students wear uniforms; most use the Spalding Method, an integrated language-arts approach based on phonics, etc. These are public schools where the folks have found leaders willing to break from the failures of the past. It takes a lot of changed thinking and leadership.

Teacher may be absolutely correct. If he/she and others are afraid to speak out about shortcomings in Reading First because they might lose their jobs, something is seriously wrong with the leadership at OSD, and the test results may reflect that angst. Of course, it could be Teacher and others are just not buying in and have become a part of the problem rather than the solution. "

TigerLawyer wrote on Jan 17, 2009 4:01 PM:

" The block schedule makes learing difficult and is poor use of students and teachers time. I graduated from OHS almost ten years ago and have just completed my seventh year of education post high school...four years undergrad and three years law school.

I cannot imagine how painful the last seven years would have been if each one of my classes were 80 minutes long. There is no way I could pay attention hat long, no matter how good the teacher. Much less a high school student.

I think doing away with the block schedule is a step in the right direction for the high school. There are a number of ways to deal with extra time needed for labs, religous release, etc. with a traditional seven period format. My two cents. Good luck. "

Ray Dickerson wrote on Jan 17, 2009 8:36 AM:

" By coincidence I received the following information from Oregon Senator Doug Whitsett yesterday. (see next paragraph) While you may think it is emnity (sic) enmity on my part, what would you call it when only 13% of parents would send their children to public schools if they had it among other choices?

"Released this month was the Freidman Foundation for Educational Choice Survey on school choice in the state describing Oregonians’ attitudes toward public education. The results measured the voters’ views on school choice in the form of school vouchers, tax credit scholarships, charter schools, and on-line or distance education. Even though more than 90 percent of Oregon K-12 students attend regular public schools, their parents’ preference for how they would like their children to be educated is strikingly different.
Forty-four percent of parents would like to send their children to a private school, but only seven percent are able to do so; an additional 24 percent indicated the desire to send their children to a charter school, and other parents expressed a preference for home schooling and on-line or distance education. Only 13 percent of parents surveyed said that they would send their children to a public school if other choices were available.
Moreover, 70 percent of the parents surveyed believe that current state funding for public schools is adequate or too high. This percentage may be significantly understated because two thirds of the parents thought that state funding per pupil was about $5,000 when in fact it is well more than $10,000 per student. In short, nearly three out of four parents surveyed believe that throwing more money at a dysfunctional K-12 education system will not improve the outcomes. They believe that fundamental changes are necessary and the most basic change needed is parental choice of the school that their child will attend.
Twelve hundred Oregon families with school age children were interviewed. The families were distributed across party lines similar to Republican, Democrat, and Independent percentages in the state. No statistical difference related to party affiliation existed in the responses.
What this study demonstrates is that the public is being led to believe contradictory sentiments about parent opinion of our school system. It demonstrates that what government says parents want from our education establishment is essentially the opposite of what parents actually say they want when they are asked.
You can take a look at the study here." "

Exiled wrote on Jan 17, 2009 6:06 AM:

" And how did the board meeting go? "

Did you take offense Ray wrote on Jan 16, 2009 2:37 PM:

" I don't think Ray's name was even mentioned in that post by OK why the hate?

I agree with him or her though. If you want to change things from the inside, go to school, get your master's degree in education, just like the teachers do and get your feet wet.

And Ray, enough with the "cut our sports because that's what will get us back on top of the global educational system" garbage.

What standards are the international schools measured against anyway? Do they all have the same NCLB benchmarks to meet, or can any country make up data and claim to be on top? I am serious about this. I want our kids to have the same opportunities as those poor little buggers in India and Bangladesh. I hope they can all grow up to work in clothing factories and eletronics assembly lines. "

HRL wrote on Jan 16, 2009 2:05 PM:

" I don't know who wrote the post defending teachers, but I do know that Ray Dickerson has never written anything positive about public education or anyone that works in it. It was kind of ironic that he took offense so quickly when his name was not mentioned nor any of his writings cited. What is it they say about the guilty feeing...... "

Ray Dickerson wrote on Jan 16, 2009 8:07 AM:

" So, if I criticize some aspect of education I must be against all educators? You need help, buddy. "

OK why the hate wrote on Jan 15, 2009 10:55 PM:

" Maybe not hate, but definitely emnity. What have teachers done to make people like you think that there are so many worthless, greedy bastards in our school messing up our kids?

OK, before you say, "I have never said those words, in that exact order," just review your posts. It sounds like you have a personal issue with many individual teachers. Are you willing to name names?

I have many close friends who work in our schools, either as teachers or school staff members. These are good people who love kids and do everything they can to improve themselves and their kids' performance. But, still people like you write things like this (see below and many education-related archives) that show great levels of distrust and plain old meanness.

I am tired of people who do not have kids in the district blaring about how terrible the people are who work there. And they DO work. They work very hard. Someone wrote:

"Teachers who will fight this change will do it for one reason---they are going to have to work a little harder. But, that is exactly what we need right now."

That line just illustrates my point from earlier. It may be that there would be more than one reason for not wanting to go along with this change.

Please follow these simple steps:

1.Go to work tomorrow.
2.Do your job in front of 20 of your co-workers, but make sure some of them want you out and can't wait for you to make mistakes. Also you will be responsible for the whereabouts of all of your coworkers and if they don't show up your boss will have your head if you don't know where they are. You may have to make several calls to the home office, the lead secretary or even call some spouses but you must find out where they are.
3.Answer their questions (no matter how innane), be sensitive to their needs, yet instruct them to do their jobs with full knowledge that you are training them to be the next generation of community leaders.
3.Take phone calls from their doctors, kids, past employers and potential employers at any time during the day.
4.During your lunch spend more time listening to your coworkers tell you how poorly you do your job than you do eating.
Get the point yet???
Of course, you will be expected to have a higher level of effectiveness and come up with even more industrious ways of being profitable. If you don't succeed immediately, I will find out your name, where you work and write a letter to this newspaper and go on the blogs to tell everyone how much of a waste you are and suggest you move to Portland where the liberals can coddle you and subsidize your livelihood.

Sure there are bad teachers, but there are also bad journalists, just read this article and most of the swill that comes from the Argus. "

Exiled is right wrote on Jan 15, 2009 10:05 PM:

" This article doesn't discuss Ontario's need for a change of schedule, it just tell us why other schools switched back. It there had been some data thrown at us we may have something to help us with our understanding of the OSD discussion. As it is, all we know it that they are thinking...well there's a first time for everything. "

Teacher wrote on Jan 15, 2009 5:56 AM:

" The school board meeting is Thursday night at 7pm! If you're not there, no whining later! "

Ray Dickerson wrote on Jan 14, 2009 2:10 PM:

" Except! Below is what I wrote about athletics in schools, to which I think you make reference. As for what I said a year or so ago about not studying in school, I think you might have me confused with someone else. At least I have no record of having blogged on the subject a year or so ago. However, you could be correct. When I was six years of age, I was told I had to go to school so I did. The next day, it has been said, that I told my Mom I had already been to school and didn’t see any reason I should go again. It never got any easier for me.

My concern is that the schools did not reach kids like me back in the old days, and they still don’t reach over half of the kids today, judging from the dropout rate. But, as I’ve said so many times before, the schools are organized for the employees and parents, not the kids. Do you think Block scheduling was adopted because it was supposed to improve student performance?


“J.D. The U.S. ranks about 19th in International competition on standardized academic tests. While I’m not certain, after some brief online research I cannot find any one of these countries that betters American students that has sports programs in the schools. The U.S. is unique in this regard, I believe. Most countries have private sports clubs for those who want to play; parents and kids pay to play. Some of the more socialist countries have “sports centers” outside the school systems for those who want to participate in certain sports. But, for the part, only in America are sports a major part of the school experience.

When you talk about how many staff members could be added with money spent on sports and what that might do for academics, you probably should do so with extreme caution, ‘cause the sports fanatics will drive you out of town. Heidelberg University in Germany, for example, does not have a soccer team that plays against Cambridge U in England. There may be a few Olympic type sports like fencing, rowing, etc. but no big stadium filling programs, like here in the U.S.

In yesterday’s Washington Post on line, there is an interesting article written by Jay Mathews, titled, “Class Struggle”. He writes about schools that work to educate kids. The schools create intense learning environments, often have longer school days and a strong focus on test results. These schools focus on inner city kids with other than American cultural backgrounds and from families mired in poverty, and they manage to outperform the big public schools hands down.

There is another article in today’s news from the Journal Sentinel On Line, titled “Buildings rise, test scores fall”. It looks at causes of poor performance in the Milwaukee school system. It lists all that you say exists: It’s the parents and dysfunctional families. It’s the school systems lack of urgency in getting kids up to speed when it comes to meeting testing goals. It’s the budget. Classes are too large. It’s poverty, and poverty correlates to poor academic performance. (Tell that to the kids in India and Bangladesh who beat the socks off American kids). Additionally, the article covers the results of 102 million dollars spent on new construction that failed to improve school performance; performance actually dropped in most of the new schools. The idea of the building program was to keep kids close to home in neighborhood schools, which has not worked.

The one intangible the article highlights is the effectiveness or lack thereof of the principal. Where there were good leaders in the schools, the kids tended to do better on the tests.

The fact is that public schools are stuck on stupid, as far as being able to deliver a solid education to the majority of the kids at a reasonable cost. And, you, me and no one else is going to change anything, and the “system” is going to make very sure of that. I see it as jobs program, 380 employees to educate 2800 kids, and there are calls for more employees. During the last 16 years I have been watching 8C , staffing has increased by more than 50, while enrollment has gradually declined, and we all know the results.

The only possible answer is to do what Jay Mathews writes about, which is really a critique of a book titled, “Great Little Schools Without a Name,” which is a study of five successful charter and private schools that defy all the reasons for failure included in the JOS article: If you want your children to receive a good education, you cannot depend on the public school system to deliver it, and there are too few options for those kids who get stuck in failing schools. “ "

Except Ray wrote on Jan 13, 2009 5:57 PM:

" Remember in an earlier post (a year or so ago), you stated that the traditional schedule at OHS did not prepare you for college and you had to opt for the military. Later (in another post), you said that all athletics should be removed from schools. If you weren't studying or playing sports, just what the heck did YOU do in high school??? "

Ray Dickerson wrote on Jan 12, 2009 5:28 PM:

" I think modified block might be the solution. "

Another Teacher wrote on Jan 12, 2009 5:03 PM:

" Much depends on the topic being taught. For example, I teach English. Trying to read the Odyssey for 80 minutes in a stretch is futile, no matter how I break the time up. Especially at the Freshman level, where the students are used to the middle-school schedule and do not have the attention span (or the practice) of sitting through one subject for 80 minutes. However, a biology class would be perfect at 90 minutes.
Down a slightly different avenue, the students that I will have for 90 minutes this Thursday, I will not see again until next Wednesday. It makes it very difficult to have any continuity. If I assign homework, I will not be able to grade it until after they turn it in (obviously) and by then, they might receive corrections by next Friday... "

Teacher wrote on Jan 12, 2009 1:29 PM:

" If you are using the Nyssa Block schedule as an example of what needs to be changed, you are barking up the wrong tree. They were on a compressed block schedule which had 4 classes meeting each day. A student was only enrolled in 4 classes per semester and at the end of a semester they earned a 1 yr credit for that class. Therefore, a student could have math the 1st semester of his freshman year and not re-enter a math class until the second semester of his sophomore year. It was a brain-dead system doomed to failure. Anything would have been an improvement over that system. With 8 periods per day, passing time is doubled, meaning that students have an extra 20 minutes during the day that they are not in class. Administrative chores such as taking attendance are also doubled, again taking away instruction time. Lab type classes will be greatly hampered in the way they do things. The decreased opportunities for electives and the decreased margin for error for students who may have had a bad year and failed some classes are very large negatives that I see in the 7 period day. Eight periods in one day means that the classes are less than 40 minutes in length. By the time the teacher takes roll, accepts or checks homework, does a breif explanation, and gives an assignment, the class is over. Where is the time for teacher guided practice? If the district would go to a 4 day week like Vale and Nyssa have where the school day would increase in length so that instead of being from 8:00 to 3:00 as it is now, it became 8:00 to 4:30 so as to provide the same number of seat hours, then the classes would be long enough to get something accomplished. I certainly don't see any schedule being a panacea. They all have their pros and their cons. I was a bit concerned by the one blogger who implied that we should just forget about trying to help the higher end students achieve their potential and concentrate on the majority, I believe was the way he put it. Should we do that with the low achievers too? Let's try to educate every kid. If we start ignoring the high achievers we will have a revlot on our hands that the Board and administration can't even imagine because those are the parents who will make some noise. You see, kids don't become high achievers on thier own. So, we can make all of the changes that we want to, but if we don't get the buy in and support at home, the results will pretty much remain the same. "

Ray Dickerson wrote on Jan 12, 2009 9:42 AM:

" To educate. Excellent comment. I especially like, “—the mind cannot tolerate what the seat cannot endure.” Repetition and frequent reinforcement are the basics of teaching. The best and brightest will be bored but the majority will benefit. It is important that the instruction be geared toward the majority. Traditional scheduling or use of the nine-period day certainly seem superior to me, a non-educator.

My question is, how did Block become the standard and why? Were there peer reviewed studies that showed it was superior to traditional scheduling or was it just a passing fad that should have been ditched a long time ago? Given the record of achievement of Nyssa and Weiser as compared to OSD, the decision should be a simple one.

Is there a connection between Block Scheduling and the accelerating dropout rate in OSD? It should be looked at.

When you look at the illiteracy rate in Malheur County as compared to Oregon and our neighbor state, there has to a connection to schools that are performing below par in my opinion.

The school districts have invested in fad after fad for decades, thinking that somehow one of these fads will turn out to be the magic-bullet that will rescue them from failure. How often do we as the public have to hear, well we’ve started this program that should make a difference, but it will take about six years for us to see the difference because we have to retrain all of the teachers, (at xxx million dollars) and then there is the learning curve, and anyway, I will be gone from the District by the time the results are in and it will be someone else’s problem.

Is that how we got Block Scheduling? Time for a return to the traditional, methinks. "

Teacher wrote on Jan 12, 2009 8:08 AM:

" I have taught in block, traditional, and modified block. The solution has always seemed simple to me. Mornings have regular schedule and afternoon have two roll over block classes. Afternoons gives oportunity for labs, advanced classes, vocational classes as well as others that conform well to block scheduling. Mornings are used for classes such as math and english where daily contact is needed. Allows schools to get in 8 classes a semester during the regular amount of time. "

to educate wrote on Jan 12, 2009 7:20 AM:

" I agree with most of your statement. Teachers (who are paid for eight hours of work per day)need to be in the classroom teaching. A two hour prep is unnecessarily long and, from what I hear, is poorly used time by most staff.

However, I disagree strongly that improvments in student achievement will not result with a traditional seven period day. Just ask Nyssa and Weiser. As someone who had block scheduling at OHS and has since taken hundreds and hundreds of undergraduate and post graduate courses, I know the mind cannot tolerate what the seat cannot endure. I don't care how fantastic the teacher is, no teacher can maintain the attention of a high school student for 80 minutes. So what happens--teachers lecture for 20 minutes and the remaining 60 are spent babysitting. Another problem with the block scheduling is the lack of repetition. If a topic is introduced on Monday and the students are on one of their many breaks later in the week, they may not get back the subject to the following Tuesday. Daily reinforcement of subject material will make a huge difference in learning.

Teachers who will fight this change will do it for one reason---they are going to have to work a little harder. But, that is exactly what we need right now. "

Ontario Teacher wrote on Jan 11, 2009 5:38 PM:

" One suggestion:

A Nine-period day. Utilize a seven period regular schedule for most required classes, but add a zero hour before the regular school day, and an eighth period after the end of the regular school day. That way, kids won't be locked out of classes such as electives and/or Religious Released Time or other classes that would benefit from meeting out side of the normal time.
Give Kids the option of starting school according to how their schedule works. Most would follow the regular schedule, some early birds would want to come early, and some others may benefit from starting at a slightly later time. Let's think outside of the boxes that have trapped us for so long. "

Exiled wrote on Jan 11, 2009 9:24 AM:

" Odd, for an article about OSD, there was hardly any mention of it. "

educate wrote on Jan 11, 2009 9:14 AM:

" This has nothing to do with student achievement...studies will show...It has to do with personnel. 1/4 of your staff is on prep each period in a block and 1/7 of your staff is on prep during a 7 period day...Consider the cost. "


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