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Council discusses snow-removal process



Ontario — The Ontario City Council heard from a local postmaster regarding snow removal and discussed potential economic stimulus funding at its work session Wednesday afternoon.

In the first topic for discussion, Ontario Public Works Director Chuck Mickelson spoke about the city’s response to the winter storm last week. Ontario Public Works Operations Manager John Bishop said city staff worked 12-hour shifts, which started at 3 a.m. and ran until 3 p.m., with the next shift starting at 3 p.m.

Mickelson said one of the biggest complaints he heard from residents was regarding the driveway “berms” caused by city snow plows pushing the snow in front of driveways as they pass.

Mickelson said this could be rectified through the purchase of a “snowgate,” which attaches to the front of the plow and scoops the snow from the driveway area and dumps it in front of the plow. He said he heard about such devices being used in Baker City and La Grande but said using a snowgate would cut production by 20 percent, meaning it would take longer to get areas plowed.

Currently, the city uses a colored snow-stake program, which allows elderly and disabled residents to place a stake in front of their driveway before the first snowstorm. The stake alerts the city to clear the driveway after it has been blocked.

Mickelson also said he referred those in need of driveway clearing to call the local high school FFA adviser, who would send high school students to remove the snow.

The council also heard from Ontario Postmaster Alan Schuster who lamented the city’s current method of removing snow.

The clearing, he said, often blocks mailboxes, which means the mail carriers must get out of their vehicles to place letters in boxes. Climbing out of the vehicles, he said, increases the amount of time a mail carrier will spend at a particular mailbox, increasing overtime pay. He also expressed concern about the limited amount of roadway the vehicles have to park in when the snow is too far into the road.

“Is it possible to blade closer to the mail boxes?” he asked the council.

Mickelson said he would look at the manner in which the city removes snow. However, Ontario Councilman Lewie Allen said he believed it is the homeowner’s responsibility to ensure their mailboxes and driveways are cleared.

Ontario Police Chief Mike Kee said city law also reflects this idea. Mickelson said plowing closer to the curb would get snow on sidewalks. Kee said ordinances reflect clearing sidewalks is again a homeowner responsibility.

Ontario City Council member Dan Cummings said he recommended receiving mail by hand when a resident sees the mail truck approaching.

Cummings spoke out against spending a great deal of money funding extensive snow removal since he said Ontario rarely receives a large amount of snow.

He, Ontario Councilwoman Susann Mills and Ontario Councilman John Gaskill said local residents have other options for removing snow from driveways and mailboxes other than relying on the city. Gaskill spoke about local residents who will often clear snow from driveways as a good samaritan act or for payment.

The council also discussed the possibility of adding de-icer to the city’s snow removal fleet. Ontario City Manager Henry Lawrence said de-icing agent costs $5,000 for 214 lane miles. Mickelson said adding the agent to the fleet would also rack up further costs such as purchasing the devices to spread the de-icer as well as a storage facility to house it.

He also said, if the city does opt for de-icer, it might only be used on some intersections as well as areas such as “hospital hill.”

After the meeting, Mickelson said he would return to the council in two weeks with prices for various snow removal options.

The council also discussed a meeting with Malheur County’s economic director, which included talks about President-elect Barack Obama’s $700 billion infrastructure package, Gov. Ted Kulongoski’s potential $1.2 billion transportation package and Senate President Peter Courtney’s suggested construction package worth $2 billion. Ontario Mayor Joe Dominick said he took issue with a number of plans brought up by private businesses and schools.

Lawrence said one of the issues discussed was a science wing for Treasure Valley Community College. Dominick said he believed the money was for transportation projects such as the East Idaho underpass or North Oregon Street.

“I brought up the underpass issue right away,” he said. “That’s infrastructure. When all of these other things were brought up, we did more listing than we did talking.”

Dominick said he felt he would probably take a lot of flack, but he did not think the money was for schools or private businesses. Schools, prisons and private businesses have their own funding sources, and this money was supposed to be for cities, he said.

Ontario City Councilman Ron Verini said he believed the money could be used for education and technology.

According to the Associated Press, Obama has said schools would share with roads in an immediate infusion of $25 billion for repairs and rebuilding.




Comment Blog - Note: All Comments Subject To Approval

Whoa Nellie wrote on Jan 11, 2009 10:29 AM:

" Mr Mad Hatter, what an appropriate name for a jerk who has no common sense. "

Think B4 Speak wrote on Jan 10, 2009 1:44 PM:

" I read this a while ago, but just got on here today after watching president elect Obama speak about this issue. Perhaps he was misquoted, but I take great offense with our mayor being upset that schools should have the odacity to ask for some of this money. How flippin re#arded is this guy! Can you not watch the news and actually listen to what Obama is saying. It took me less that five minutes online to hear a four part plan, which included infrastructure, jobs, SCHOOLS, and the Medical Field. I cannot believe that our mayor is winning about someone competing for this funding. I know the city needs some help, especially with things like the underpass.... but don't sit there and say that schools shouldn't be asking for funding when that is exactly what our future president said it was for.

Snow..... wow....... in the middle of all that is going on in this country and this town you idiots want to sit around and talk about the snow. Get a clue, and then get a shovel. "

Larry wrote on Jan 7, 2009 4:20 PM:

" Just seen as of recent. the village idiot shoveling snow into the street. "

JIM P. wrote on Jan 7, 2009 2:12 PM:

" SO THIS IS A SUBJECT THAT ALREADY HAS AN ANSWER.. SHOVEL THE SNOW! IT IS THE RESPONSIBILITY OF INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY OWNERS TO CLEAN SIDEWALKS ON THEIR PROPERTY AND TO MAINTAIN THEM. SO THIS IS NOT NEWS TO ANYONE JUST SHOVEL THE DAMN SNOW.. "

doest matter wrote on Jan 7, 2009 2:57 AM:

" LET THE SNOW MELT??? you idiot! its below 32 degrees for most of the winter, plus if it does get above freezing it only melts on the top so then you have a solid sheet of ICE! how do you think that will work??? If the snow was not packed down by every car in ontario driving over it, it still would take the temp to get over 32 you d*psh*t!! You should stick to what you know(which is nothing about snow removal) "

M Hatter wrote on Jan 6, 2009 8:13 PM:

" Woe Nellie, blah blah blah. Give us some good stuff, not pabble you pulled off your email. And What Wrote, those folks you are mad at are supporting John Bishop. "

JIM P. wrote on Jan 6, 2009 11:48 AM:

" HOLY F^%$#@! CRAP!!!! IS IT ROCKET SCIENCE TO THE COUNCIL? BEFORE ANYTING GETS PUT INTO PLACE (LIKE A SHOVEL) WINTER WILL BE OVER THEN THE MONEY FOR THAT OR ANY SURPLUS IT HAS WILL BE MIS-SPENT LIKE THE REST OF THE MONEY...

AND ANOTHER THING...INFRASTUCTURE PACKAGEIS NOT ONLY FOR CITIES, MAYBE YOU SHOULD READ IT BEFORE YOU ASSUME YOU CAN LINE YOUR POCKETS WITH IT. "

Whoa Nellie wrote on Jan 5, 2009 6:31 PM:

" Obituary of the late Mr. Common Sense

Today we mourn the passing of a beloved old friend,Common Sense,who has been with us for many years. No one knows for sure how old he was,since his birth records were long ago lost in bureaucratic red tape.

He will be remembered as having cultivated such valuable lessons as:Knowing when to come in out of the rain; Why the early bird gets the worm;Life isn't always fair;and Maybe it was my fault.

Common Sense lived by simple,sound financial policies(don't spend more than you can earn) and reliable strategies(adults,not children,are in charge). His health began to deteriorate rapidly when well-intentioned but overbearing regulations were set in place. Reports of a 6 year old boy charged with sexual harassment for kissing a classmate;teens suspended from school for using mouthwash after lunch;and a teacher fired for reprimanding an unruly student,only worsened his condition.

Common Sense lost ground when parents attacked teachers for doing the job that they themselves had failed to do in disciplining their unruly children

It declined even further when schools were required to get parental consent to administer Calpol,sun lotion or a band-aid to a student;but could not inform parents when a student became pregnant and wanted to have an abortion.

common Sense lost the will to live as the ten Commandments became contraband;churches became businesses;and criminals received better treatment than their victims. Common Sense took a beating when you could'ent defend yourself from a burglar in your own home and the burglar could sue you for assault.

Common Sense finally gave up the will to live,after a woman failed to realize that a steaming cup of coffee was hot. She spilled a little in her lap, and was promptly awarded a huge settlement.

Common Sense was preceded in death by his parents,Truth and Trust;his wife,Discretion;his daughter,Responsibility; and his son Reason.

He is survived by his three stepbrothers;I Know My Rights,Someone Else Is To Blame,and I'm a victim. Not many attended his funeral because so few realized he was gone "

What wrote on Jan 5, 2009 1:51 PM:

" Ignorance is bliss I believe the old saying goes. That being the case most of you city councilors and yes you Mr. Kee who chose to open your mouths about snow removal are so blissful your all about to float away(that would be a blessing). This city has nothing to worry about but snow? Get a clue folks you have no idea what snow problems are. You could all benefit from keeping your mouths shut and let Mr Bishop do his job which I might add has been very good up to this point.You who blathered on about the snow can't solve the problems the city currently has what makes you think you can fix the snow. Oh I see maybe its the hot air that will take care of things.
The Postmaster comes to you folks with a problem and wow Louie you sure solved that one. After the city plows four foot of snow in front of your box and your driveway one is suppose to shovel it out to where? Good gracious please not the street. You see it was the cities snow now its yours so haul it all to your backyard. That might take you a week or maybe you can find a good Samaritan to blow it back into the street for you( then your off the hook). My how many good Samaritans have you recently seen standing around with nothing to do? And how bout you folks on a fixed income can you afford to pay someone every time it snows? Oh and lets not overlook Mr Cummings oh so brilliant remark. Set at your window or stand on the sidewalk every day snow or shine and wait for the mail so you can receive your mail into your frozen hand. Very good idea Dan. Mr Kee on any given day if you get around town you will see 2/3rds of the population shoveling snow into the street yeah even some of your buddies. So give it a rest we are all tired of hearing it. I have an idea for you why don't you arrest some one for that nasty crime lets see how far that goes.
Once more I'll say let John do his job the rest of you who find it hard to use common sense move on to the next crisis Bruce its a good thing you resigned you did not fit with the idiot pack "

Bubba wrote on Jan 4, 2009 8:57 PM:

" I have an idea put a shovel in the frickin MAYORS hand and have him clear the driveways and mailboxes, then he could say he accomplished something. "

Fred wrote on Jan 4, 2009 8:29 PM:

" Lets have the City spend a million dollars and buy heaters to melt all of the snow, what a bunch of morons. "

Sam wrote on Jan 4, 2009 8:25 PM:

" That is the great thing about ontario you are dammed if you do and dammed if you dont. Get off your lazy ars and clean your own sidewalk and driveway. Looking at all the big butts we have in town it would give many much needed exercise. "

wrote on Jan 4, 2009 4:05 PM:

" Heres an idea, apply for some of President-Elect Obama's 700 billion dollar "Infrastructure" stimulas package and use it to re-do/re-enforce Ontario's "Infrastructure" system that people continually whine about being outdated, overworked and crumbling. Whenever there is talk about bringing in new business the one thing that coninutally comes up is the "strain/drain" on Ontario's failing infrastructure.....

A perfect opportunity to correct this problem. I'd say it's worth looking into. "

ab wrote on Jan 4, 2009 1:26 PM:

" I have an idea, how about. Just not plowing the , secondary roads. 90% of the time the snow will melt off,. I can understand plowing if we receive a couple feet or something like that but for the most part plowing secondaries and putting a big berm in front of people's houses causes. Lots more problems than it solves "

Larry wrote on Jan 4, 2009 8:13 AM:

" Wow Joe No flack from me! "


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