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Local road woes
Ontario public works chief ponders new techniques to help keep city streets clear during snow storms



KATIE PIZZA | ARGUS OBSERVER A particularly snowy section of Northwest First Street as seen Friday morning. Ontario Public Works Operations Manager John Bishop said Ontario snowplows do not take to the streets unless there is between one to three inches of snow. The city is also looking into using de-icing agents to melt ice on city streets.
Ontario—Ontario officials are working to get the word out about how residents can help make street snow removal easier for city workers, with one public works employee planning to bring more snow removal techniques to the city’s budget committee in the future.

Ontario Public Works Operations Manager John Bishop said the city does not currently use chemicals to melt the ice on roads. However, he said he plans to bring the issue to the budget committee in the next few months.

“It’s a fairly expensive process to put to work,” Bishop said.

He said while the department is looking into the cost of de-icing chemicals, the analysis is still in the planning stages.

Currently, the city utilizes material from summer chip-sealing which is blended with reject sand and used to sand the streets when snow falls. He said the sand is either purchased or used from a city stockpile.

Bishop said the crews start to look at sanding and plowing the streets when the snow gets between one to three inches. Bishop said the crews do not take to the streets when there is less than an inch of snow.

“Snowplows don’t cut it clear down to the asphalt,” he said.

However, he said the city is doing the best it can to keep roads clear.

The plows travel down what he called primary and secondary routes. The primary routes, he said, are areas such as Fourth Street and Idaho Avenue. The plows then move to secondary routes such as residential roads. In a press release, Ontario Police Department Chief Mike Kee said city plows normally plow the snow from the street creating a “berm,” or barrier, in front of driveways.

“Young people should remember the elderly,” Bishop said. He added that the elderly may need help clearing the snow from the front of their driveways.

Disabled and elderly residents can obtain colored snow stakes from the city to place in their driveways and the city will remove the snow in front of the driveway. However, Kee said it is important that residents place these stakes before the first major snow storm.

Kee also said residents are responsible for removing the snow and ice from sidewalks, since some residents rely on sidewalks to move about the city. He also said the ice and snow removed must not be “plowed, pushed or otherwise placed” into city streets, onto sidewalks or another person’s property without permission. The snow must also be piled at least four feet away from fire hydrants.

Kee said vehicles should be moved off of the street to help facilitate snow removal. Unattended vehicles, which are left on the street for more than 72 hours, may be considered abandoned.

Kee also mentioned city traffic signal changes for the winter months.

Some traffic lights are switched to flashing mode to decrease the amount of unexpected stops. When a driver approaches one of these lights, Kee said the driver should come to a complete stop at the flashing red light or red arrow and proceed only when they can do so safely without interfering with cross traffic. If the flashing arrow is yellow, Kee said drivers should slow their vehicle and proceed cautiously.

Anyone with comments or questions concerning city snow removal should call the Ontario City Shop, at (541) 889-8572, during business hours (9 a.m. to 5 p.m. Monday through Friday).  Local road conditions can be obtained by dialing 511.




Comment Blog - Note: All Comments Subject To Approval

insulted wrote on Jan 8, 2009 12:55 PM:

" Oh, and by the way, all the other services that were mentioned in Mr. Hatters entry were in large part bought and payed for by the same farmers and contractors that he seems to think are so incapable. "

insulted wrote on Jan 8, 2009 12:18 PM:

" I sincerly hope that the person who made the comments about the contractors and farmers is not someone to whom our tax dollars are getting anywhere near.Remember us ? We are the farmers and contractors who pay most of the bills around this place. Can someone tell us who this disrespectful person is so that we can make sure that we seperate him from any position of responsibility in our community ? "

Ray Dickerson wrote on Jan 8, 2009 8:35 AM:

" To Mad Hatter. Nothing seems to bring out the worst in bureaucrats than the suggestion that someone else could do their job for cheaper. I agree that this snowfall certainly has not been an emergency. However it could have become one and still might, given the way the city plows the streets, which can cause water to pond behind ice dams and blocked storm drains, that could cause flooding should we have a quick thaw or rain. Who do you think would be responsible if water were to back up behind an ice dam created by the city and flood the basement of my house?

You really need to bone up on contractor law. If the contractor makes mistakes, the contractor pays. You also insult many, when you say the farmers and contractors would cause property damage. And why is it essential that all snow be plowed to the side? Should we not just think in terms of clearing and removal?

Many years ago, the city piled snow down the center lines of the commercial streets and then picked it up with a loader. They didn’t plow the residential streets so there were no ice dams and or plugged storm drains ( there were no storm sewers) so any backed up water was caused by snow removal by individual property owners. Also, the sidewalks and paths that were cleared by the property owners remained that way rather than being piled high with snow plowed off the streets. There were no plowed shut driveways. And neighbors met each other over the end of snow shovels and often helped each other.

I think it would help if the emotion were taken out of this topic so reason could prevail. "

Mad Hatter wrote on Jan 7, 2009 9:06 PM:

" Lets consider contracting with construction companies and farmers to plow streets. None of them own plows designed to push snow to one side of the street. Their equipment is designed to go more or less straight ahead. Insurance, bonding, maybe should be a high priority as these guys redo the sides of your cars parked along the street. Maybe in a dire emergency but do you really think what has happened over the last two weeks constitute an emergency? We still had water, toilets flushed away the bad stuff, TV worked, food got served and if we stayed indoors we were warm. Read what Resident, Igor, Doesn't Matter and Ann C, have written. Maybe the message will get through. "

Resident wrote on Jan 7, 2009 2:23 PM:

" What a bunch of whiners! I think that the city has done a remarkable job of snow removal this year. Their job is to plow the streets and keep them open. Your driveway and mailbox are your responsibility. Here's the way it works. Stand up. Put on your coat and gloves. Some boots would be nice. Go outside. Grab as shovel and apply. The snow will magically move in a few minutes and then you can go back inside and write a note telling all of us how hard you worked and how tired you are. We will all be impressed and you can brag about how you delt with the big snowstorm of '09 for the rest of your life. Good grief! No wonder our economy is depressed. These idle dolts represent our workforce. "

Igor wrote on Jan 7, 2009 9:39 AM:

" Snow shoveling is great exercise. Get up from the couch and do something thats good for you. "

doesnt matter wrote on Jan 7, 2009 2:41 AM:

" If all it took was money, then why do you whine so much about taxes? Where do you think the money comes from? We all know it's pretty hard to predict the weather. Park your cars in front of your driveways and then it won't get plowed in! stay off the roads and let these guys do their job. If we were to go to your place of employment don't you think we could critique you? but you are all so perfect! Get off your high horses and deal with it! These guys are out plowing you whiney little wusses in while you are all sitting inside your houses on the cumputer typing BS about them. I am sure they would more than gladly go home and spend their time with thier families! For the 10 minutes it takes to shovel some snow they are out in 12hr shifts away form their loved ones. Move some where theres no snow! "

Anna C. wrote on Jan 7, 2009 12:44 AM:

" A little bad weather sure brings out the whiners. The truth is, people themselves, did not stay on top of this. Many of my neighbors don't even own snow shovels. The only way to keep a driveway or sidewalk cleared is to shovel EVERY TIME it snows. And the berm along the edges of plowed streets? Just a fact of life. Another thing to be dealt with. Something people have forgotten how to do. The good news is, it will melt, and we can return attention to our regular gripe topics. "

Ray Dickerson wrote on Jan 6, 2009 12:02 PM:

" The city may consider contracting snow removal with local farmers or those contractors with equipment equipped with blades and buckets capable of removing snow.

There must be a couple hundred such people around who would, for a predetermined fee, provide backup service to the city in an emergency. All it would take is an advertisement for bids and creation of a list of prospective contractors who would be willing to respond in an emergency. It would, in all probability, cost less than investing in fancy equipment that may sit idle for years and would also be much faster since most of the city could be cleared at about the same time. "

Plowed shut. wrote on Jan 5, 2009 2:03 PM:

" Yep my driveway was also plowed shut. I encourage everyone who has a problem with the snow removal and plugged mail boxes and driveways get on your phone and swamp the city lines with your complaints and or suggestions. Who knows maybe something good can come from it.
Seen any good Samaritans standing around? "

Dont Worry Be Happy wrote on Jan 5, 2009 11:25 AM:

" Mr. Haney is on his way! By golly he, along with Mr. Ziffel and his dope growing Arnold (ex city employee) as an advisor, know everything there is to know about public works. They will fix it! "

To Ticked Off wrote on Jan 4, 2009 8:44 PM:

" All it takes is more money, they run 24/7 with everything they have. Get your wallet out another man will cost you $50k per year and dump truck with a plow $100k. I think your memory is little nostalgic, one fact you may of forgotten the older, larger heavier cars handled better in the snow and it seemed like people knew how to drive in the snow 45 years ago or maybe I am nostalgic. "

NEW STORM COMING wrote on Jan 4, 2009 4:56 PM:

" Ray D,

Is there a price on the safety of the citizens of Ontario? The city should spend however much money it costs to keep the people safe, especially during these harsh storms. "

Larry wrote on Jan 4, 2009 3:18 PM:

" Woa! Ray! Well said.! 541v2 "

Ray Dickerson wrote on Jan 3, 2009 3:25 PM:

" Don't you all think it is pretty dfficulty and unwisely expensive for the city to tool up for events which occur about once every ten years. Get over it. Clear a path and wait for the Sun to shine. "

Mad Hatter wrote on Jan 3, 2009 9:41 AM:

" Misters Horse and Yeah, you two ought to try supervising the snow plow response on some of these storms. You have no idea what you are talking about. But go ahead, it is an open fourm, keep telling everyone how to do it. "

Yeah right wrote on Jan 1, 2009 2:07 AM:

" Noone is asking them to plow 80 friggin miles of road. Idaho Ave, SW 4th Ave and Oregon St would be nice though. You do the math, that cant be more than 10-15 miles "

Horse sense wrote on Dec 31, 2008 2:06 PM:

" I would not give these bozo's another dime !!!If brains were gold these guys wouldnt have enough to buy a pi&$ant a wrestling jacket if gingham was two cents a yard "

ticked off wrote on Dec 31, 2008 2:00 PM:

" Funny thing, I remember the snow plows years ago doing much better at keeping things open when we recieved lots of snow. hmmm..... Make no mistake, this is a result of lack of leadership and give a darn. The people that actually operate the plows can not be held responsible. It is not an easy thing to do but it can be done. We need to find someone who actually wants to be held accountable instead of just hiring the easiest person at the time to lead our staff. PS: I am not employed by nor have I ever been employed by the city,just lived here for 45 years. "

To Greg Dobbs wrote on Dec 30, 2008 9:34 AM:

" Dah,man they call it team plowing, you know 2 can do more than 1. "

MMQ wrote on Dec 30, 2008 9:27 AM:

" The Monday morning quarterbacks, Ontario seems to have more than their share. We all know them, big mouths who talk a big game, while others are actually out there doing the job. I for one want to THANK the hard working people who are called out 24/7 to make our travels more convenient. For you knuckle heads out there it is all about how much you want to spend on this service, if you spend enough they could remove every snowflake that falls. Please call the Mayor and tell him you want the City to spend more money they dont have on snow removal, I am sure he will get right on it. "

Greg Dobbs wrote on Dec 30, 2008 7:55 AM:

" Nose wrote on Dec 29, 2008 1:47 PM:

" Ontario has 4 plows to clear 80 miles of road, you do the math.These plows also do all of the sanding. Move to Idaho if you want to whine like a baby. "

If they ONLY have 4 plows, then why do two of them need to be plowing together. That is what I saw Christmas Eve, at one intersection. "

George Bush wrote on Dec 30, 2008 7:47 AM:

" Maybe if the planning committee's didn't cancel all of there meetings, then they would be able to discuss a plan of attack for when the snow comes. You can't tell me they didn't know the forcast on the 18th(http://ontariooregon.org/calendar.php?ID=6), when the public works should've met. I guess the city council and/or comittees are no diffrerent than the government, they are all a waste of tax dollars! "

To Mad Hater wrote on Dec 30, 2008 7:27 AM:

" Get a glue. Do you even read this. Some places did not get plowed. I can deal with a berm, but not one trip around there block, give me a break. I am sure you never have a complaint. What about the mail thing, is that the citizens issue as well, if so them maybe give a heads up. Come on this is not an attact just a few people explaining there disliking of the way the city does things. "

Mad Hatter wrote on Dec 29, 2008 9:37 PM:

" OMG! Waa waa! All I hear. You few who know so much, where should the snow go? You have three ways, do nothing, plow to the center, plow to the gutter. This is a lot easier to answer than where to find money. Come on know it all's. Your chance to tell us how to do it. Payette is so great? They plow the snow across your driveway and over your sidewalk. I'd much rather dig out just the driveway. Fruitland? Berms across the driveway. "

wrote on Dec 29, 2008 3:43 PM:

" Earl wrote on Dec 29, 2008 1:54 PM:

"Sounds like sour grapes from some ex- street crew employees released from there jobs for poor performance, several names come to mind. "....

So Earl, why does getting aggrivated with the way WE, the citizens of Ontario are treated become sour grapes by some ex-employees that were released because they didn't do their job......How about it being just regular everyday citizens of Ontario getting miffed about having a snow mound deposited across their driveway blocking them in, OR getting a "nasty gram" from the post office about removing snow from in front of the mailbox they never put there in the first place? Is this NOT allowed, to express ones aggrivation at such treatment? Eveyone has to adjust a bit when hit with "winter" but WHY does it always to be US, that do the adjusting? "

Earl wrote on Dec 29, 2008 1:54 PM:

" Sounds like sour grapes from some ex- street crew employees released from there jobs for poor performance, several names come to mind. "

This is a joke wrote on Dec 29, 2008 1:51 PM:

" My street go cleaned once. They made it so hard for some cars to enter my block that the residentes put together money to have a local service clear our road. And about the mail carriers. Those lazy assh--es gave me the same note. Get out of the jeep you lazy pig. I love this town, but how about a little help. Show me that my tax dollars are doing somthing. "

Nose wrote on Dec 29, 2008 1:47 PM:

" Ontario has 4 plows to clear 80 miles of road, you do the math.These plows also do all of the sanding. Move to Idaho if you want to whine like a baby. "

WOW wrote on Dec 29, 2008 12:28 PM:

" The absolute worst city snow removal maintenance in Oregon! Plows are meant for plowing, not for show! Oh, and thanks for the flat tire City Of Ontario! "

ticked off wrote on Dec 29, 2008 7:36 AM:

" more money paid by tax payers, less work recieved for it. Thats what we get for not being involved. "

wrote on Dec 28, 2008 5:54 PM:

" Pretty aggrivating to clean out your drive way only to have the city crew come by and block your driveway once again with a mound of snow.

Even more aggrivating to get a "nasty" gram from the mail carrier saying if you want to continue to receive your mail, clear the snow from in front of the mailbox or delivery will cease. Seems out poor little mail carriers can't get close enough to the mail box to deliver the mail without having to get out of the mail truck.....I told them in the future to send my "nasty" gram to the City of Ontario, since they were the ones who put the snow there, not I. Never heard another word and am still receiving my mail....

As I take a deep breath, I just tell muyself it's a winter hazard and will soon pass.... "

Yeah right wrote on Dec 28, 2008 3:18 AM:

" Is that 1-3" of snow or ice!. Ive never seen such poor street maintenance. Every plow I saw the last week or so was driving around with their plows in the raised position. Worst street maintenance ever !!!! "


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