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For some, bailout does not pass smell test



Richard Drew | Associated Press Traders surround a post on the floor of the New York Stock Exchange, Friday. Wall Street extended a huge rally Friday as investors stormed back into the market, relieved that the government plans to restore calm to the financial system by rescuing banks from billions of dollars in bad debt. Meanwhile, some voters are not so sure taxpayers should have to bail out big financial companies.
WASHINGTON — The bailout doesn’t smell right to the people of Manassas Park, Va., where the foreclosure signs are as common as azaleas. They know all about bad debt here. This is a terrain of oversize dreams, misjudgment, financial calamity — and empty houses. “Foreclosure. Foreclosure. Foreclosure,” said Ed Merkle, 58, as he pointed to the “for sale” signs lining his street.

But Merkle, a defense contractor, said he has lived within his means in an era of easy credit. He didn’t take on a huge loan even when his bank encouraged him to dream bigger.

“I’ve been financially responsible with my own money. Why should I now be responsible for the fact that you were not?” he said.This may be a Main Street bailout backlash in the making. The details of the financial crisis are still hard for most people to follow — what with talk of exotic “derivatives” known as “credit-default swaps” and so on — but the central fact of the matter hasn’t been lost on anyone in this Northern Virginia community: The taxpayers are on the hook for the bad judgment of others.

And they say they don’t like it. They didn’t break it, but now they’ve bought it. Political leaders and financial titans say the bailout is necessary to save the economy, but on the ground, in such places as Manassas Park, people think that the bailout will reward the wrong people. There’s a sense that too many folks bought houses they couldn’t really afford, banks urged them on, common sense went on vacation, and now the grown-ups have to clean up the mess.

“If I spent more money than I have, I don’t deserve to have somebody bail me out,” said John Owens, 45, a developer who lives on Eagle Court, where three houses have gone through foreclosure.

The anti-bailout sentiment appears to cut across class lines. You hear it from one end of Manassas Drive, the main drag through town, to the other — from the small, Cape Cod-style homes built with G.I. Bill money after World War II to the muscle-bound houses newly risen along the golf course.

“I’m worried that the taxpayers are going to wind up paying for all this,” said Arlena Elbaraka, 38, who lives in the manicured neighborhood of Blooms Crossing.

“Who ends up losing from all this? Us, right?” asked Rogelio Benitez, 36, a home-improvement contractor who lives with his wife and six kids.

 in a working-class neighborhood on the western edge of town.

“I’m not overextended,” Merkle said. “I didn’t buy a large home that I can’t afford. I’m not behind on any of my payments. I’m not sure I want the government to take my tax dollars and buy someone else’s house for them.”

The comments suggest that the bailout could pose a stiff new challenge for presidential candidates and anyone else running for office this fall. The wisdom of the government’s massive financial intervention hasn’t been marketed to the masses. The nation’s financial and political leaders are working round the clock to repair the shattered markets, and no one, from the White House on down, has spent more than a few minutes explaining to the American people why they’re being asked to assume hundreds of billions of dollars of liabilities.

President Bush said little all week. Finally, in remarks in the Rose Garden on Friday, the president said, “These measures will require us to put a significant amount of taxpayer dollars on the line.” All the rescue efforts combined may approach a trillion dollars.

In a press availability Saturday, standing alongside Colombian President Alvaro Uribe, Bush spoke to the concerns of “Main Street.”

“You know, you hear them talking about Wall Street and Main Street — well, this is Wall Street plus Main Street, and I’m worried about Main Street,” he said. He recounted a conversation with Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson and other officials: “I said, what’s it going to take to make sure Main Street doesn’t get affected by the policies of Wall Street? And this is what they came up with, and this is a big ticket, because it’s a big problem.”

In Manassas Park and nearby communities in suburban Prince William County, many people see the bailout as a violation of the basic rule that people and institutions must live within their means or face the consequences.

Kevin Newman, 42, knows how hard up people can get. He owns Ace Pawn, in a shopping center on Route 28 next to a newly vacant Checkers fast-food outlet. Newman spends his day lending money to people. He sees them at their most desperate. From a back room he pulls out a brand-new, sparkling Rickenbacker guitar that someone had gotten for his birthday and pawned just weeks later. His shop is filled with precious jewelry that people surrendered for cash. He had a customer — he won’t say who — who pawned a Washington Redskins Super Bowl ring.

And Newman knows what it’s like to be broke. He went bankrupt after a daughter was born prematurely and he faced $1 million in medical bills.

“I’ve been on both sides of the counter,” he said.

Now, he never uses a credit card. If he can’t pay for something out of his pocket, he won’t buy it.

He instinctively doesn’t like the bailout.

“I think our kids are going to be paying for it, and their kids are going to be paying for it, and probably their kids are going to be paying for it,” he said.

Not far away, on Scott Drive, a side street off Manassas Drive, Charlie Crabill, 54, a landscaper, asks a common question in these parts: “Are they going to bail me out?” Crabill has benefited in one way from the mortgage meltdowns: He mows the lawns of about 70 houses in foreclosure, receiving a regular check from Fannie Mae.

Hours of interviews in Manassas Park turned up exactly one resident in favor of the bailout, a fellow in a Harvard T-shirt in a big house near the golf course. Richard Bejtlich, 36, who works in computer security for General Electric — its stock jumped dramatically Friday when the government banned short-selling of financial securities — says he’s a libertarian and normally wouldn’t support government intervention. But there’s no other way at this point, he says, because we’re in too deep of a hole and have been too profligate.

He recounts a conversation with a new neighbor who moved into a deluxe home:

“How did you afford that house?” Bejtlich asked.

“I don’t know. I just signed,” the neighbor said.

Prince William County is one of many ground zeros in the subprime mortgage crisis. Pick up a pamphlet on home sales in the county, and you will come across an ad saying “Foreclosures R Us!” Pictured are dozens of homes being sold for what seem like bargain-basement prices, some under $200,000. But there aren’t many buyers — because no one knows what anything is really worth, or whether the market is anywhere near bottom.

Exactly $180,000 — about half the assessed value — is what Paul Stinnett wants for his house, a Cape Cod under a 200-year-old white oak on Scott Drive. He’s putting it on the market Monday. Painting the trim on the front door, Stinnett says of the bailout, “The last I heard it was going to cost the taxpayers a trillion dollars.” He’s not sure if the bailout’s a good idea, but he does know the ultimate cause of the problem: “Greed. I think anybody can see that.”

Ron Alphin, a home remodeler sitting on his porch and watching the Manassas Drive traffic roll by — he’s just a matter of feet outside the Manassas Park city line — is flat-out against the bailout.

“The government got other problems they need to straighten out,” he says. “They ain’t going to help us a bit.”

Jose Guzman, 18, says his Manassas Drive family has had personal experience with a disastrous mortgage. His mother, he says, snapped up a property down the street several years ago, only to be surprised when the mortgage proved adjustable, the interest rate rising so quickly that in two years the monthly payment went from $1,600 to $3,000. The bank foreclosed on that house.

Guzman points to a house for sale across the street.

“You know what they did? They actually just left, and let the bank take the house.”

And this isn’t even the hardest-hit part of the county. Woodbridge is worse, says Don Ratterree, the real estate agent whose face and phone number can be found at the bottom of the “Foreclosures R Us” ads.

He puts the best spin on a bad situation: “It’s a good buyer’s market.”




Comment Blog - Note: All Comments Subject To Approval

Larry wrote on Sep 30, 2008 7:08 AM:

" Earl? Earl Hickey? "

Michael Allen wrote on Sep 30, 2008 5:59 AM:

" OK, we had the big market tantrum yesterday to "punish" all of us little guys. I hope most of you took some of my advice and got out of stocks and into cash or treasury bonds. There will probably be a bounce today, after all, there are way too many traders out there, whose job it is to make their customers money. The month is ending, the quarter is ending, time for some window dressing for all of those 401k statements coming to your mailbox soon. This is a bottom, not THE bottom, but an interim bottom and time to go long if you have the nerve to buy back into the market for the short term. Do this only if you know what you are doing. THE bottom is still a ways away and will be very, very ugly. The safest bet is still cash and or Treasuries. When you get your 401k statements, don't be shocked and don't panic about how much you may have lost. But, be sure and ask your broker how long it takes based on a historical basis, to recoup your loss. It takes longer than you think and that is the shocking part. I can almost guarantee your broker didn't tell you that part. You are the only person who truly cares about your family and your money. Learn how to control your finances and take control of your destiny. Good luck to all. "

Rita wrote on Sep 30, 2008 3:49 AM:

" For those who want to read the bills being voted on http://thomas.loc.gov/ "

Rita wrote on Sep 30, 2008 3:16 AM:

" Earl, I suggest you do some extensive research on the Federal Reserve System and it's current and past Board of Governors. I researched the Fed extensively along with each and every member of the Board of Governors back to it's illegal and unconstitutional beginning. The idea of the Fed was not even solely birthed in the USA. Before you tell other people [quote = Earl]I have come to the conclusion that none you know what you are talking about![end quote] get your facts straight. "

Michael Allen wrote on Sep 28, 2008 8:51 AM:

" Earl,

I've been a student of history and macro-economics for over 30 years. I'll be glad to debate you on any historical or economic aspect of what's happening now in America. In the meantime check out this website. It puts in pretty simple terms what the Federal Reserve really is and how it was created: http://www.bigeye.com/griffin.htm "

Earl wrote on Sep 27, 2008 8:11 AM:

" I just had an epiphany! After reading all of your comments I have come to the conclusion that none you know what you are talking about! "

Michael Allen wrote on Sep 26, 2008 7:23 PM:

" If the Fed is serious about reform, instead of piling MORE debt on top of the mountain they have generated, which entails of course more interest due to them, they must permanently waive the $350B in interest payments which they collect every year (amounting to 11% of our total federal budget) on our existing debt burden, the collateral of which that they have apparently lost to speculative activity in real estate using our bank deposits which we already paid for.

That is the only PROPER stimulus package. It will generate $350B per year, forever, and it correctly costs us nothing. "

Rita wrote on Sep 26, 2008 5:37 AM:

" WaMu is my bank. The hit was a personal attack! I wonder if JP Morgan Chase will close the Ontario branch. If so, I will lose all bonus point money accrued by using my debit card if the branch is closed before Feb. 15, 2009.

Watch out people. Your bank may be next. "

Michael Allen wrote on Sep 25, 2008 9:27 PM:

" "WaMu bank failure biggest in U.S. history"

Congress better hurry, the Fed just shot a hostage. "

Rita wrote on Sep 25, 2008 8:29 PM:

" I remember earlier in the week Treas. Sec. Paulson saying how this rescue bill must be in place by Wednesday. Oh wow, Wednesday has come and gone and the world did not fail apart!

Larry, I'm glad you ALL know who I am.
*wonders if Larry is the same Larry on myspace friends' page*

HeyFourEyes, the Argus CAPTCHA has major problems. I suggest they download and install one that actually works. "

Michael Allen wrote on Sep 25, 2008 8:02 PM:

" WaMu is a big loss, but nothing compared to what's coming.

5,000 banks will go up in smoke over the next two years, including every single household name.

The Federal Reserve banks have already failed, hence the bill before congress to bail them out. So the supposed bank safety net is gone. The dead-Fed is in the process of being repurchased with US taxpayer money and put back into the names of their Middle East and Communist Chinese shareholders. "

Larry wrote on Sep 25, 2008 7:09 AM:

" We ALL Know who Rita is! She's the lovely meter maid juss sayin! "

Michael Allen wrote on Sep 24, 2008 7:41 PM:

" "I didn't attend the funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying I approved of it". -Mark Twain. "

Michael Allen wrote on Sep 24, 2008 3:04 PM:

" Hi Rita, I thought it might be you. I hope you and your family are well. We're all good.
I will continue to try and "educate" as many people as I can. I guess I'm at least trying to give everyone an alternative viewpoint of our current affairs. I've been facinated by history and economics for most of my life. What's happening now is by far one of the most interesting and frightening events in our history. I lay blame for these events entirely on the Federal Reserve System which was created in 1913. These guys are not a government entity, they are a private entity made up entirely of large central banks, some of which are foreign owned. They are not the common man's friend by any means.
Here are seven reasons for abolishing the Federal Reserve System:

(1) It is incapable of accomplishing its stated objectives.

(2) It is a cartel operating against the public interest.

(3) It is the supreme instrument of usury [with its treason of "fractional reserve banking", endlessly multiplying the money supply, endlessly multiplying debt, endlessly multiplying inflation].

(4) It generates our most unfair tax [inflation due to constantly increasing money supply].

(5) It encourages war.

(6) It destabilizes the economy.

(7) It is an instrument of totalitarianism.

http://www.populistamerica.com/the_federal_reserve_jekyll_island_monster
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This subject isn't taught in high school economics or probably most college economic courses. I truly believe most Congressmen have no idea of why we are in the mess we are in because they have been told for almost 100 years now that the theories behind our monetary policies are sound. They aren't sound. They are based on premises that will over time make things worse and worse. But, because the "experts" both parties use come from the same sources,(The Federal Reserve) they are convinced the problem doesn't lie with monetary policy but in other places.

Good Luck to You and all the rest of us. We're going to need it. "

HeyFourEyes wrote on Sep 24, 2008 1:33 PM:

" Yeah, I wrote to Senators today. i fear now, that my name will only be put on jury duty.
"Sorry - the text supplied with the security image did not match,..."
Figures, I have to submit 3 or 4 times every time I have something important to say that the world simply must be aware of. "

Rita wrote on Sep 24, 2008 10:49 AM:

" Hey Mike. Keep blogging. Everyone needs to hear it.
BTW, you should know who I am. People used to say that our kids look like sisters.<---- After that, you must know who I am. I never use my full name on the internet.

Yesterday, I e-mailed my senator and everyone else I could think of telling them "I strongly oppose this bailout".
I also visited all the news sites (CNN,etc) and voted in all their polls about the bailout.

Speak out and be heard, people! Here's the link to e-mail your US legislators.
http://www.leg.state.or.us/findlegsltr/
Either e-mail or call, snail mail is too slow. "

Larry wrote on Sep 23, 2008 4:56 PM:

" Sure it passes the sniff test. It STINK STANK STUNK STINKS "

Dr.Jekyl wrote on Sep 23, 2008 8:43 AM:

" Well, I hope Michael has purged his soul of what possesses him. It would be good to throw some light humor into the work else it suffers us to labor the read.
Imagine someone else, they have all their ducks in a row before venturing out of the house. A new digital camera invites the world once again and, a new bike might expand the palette when the rest of the known world has been photographed not once but several times in redundancy. What good is a camera if not to capture the treasures we only see fleetingly and fade into memories without detail. "

Michael Allen wrote on Sep 23, 2008 6:17 AM:

" Sorry to post so many times this morning. But, I have a really, really bad feeling about what's about to happen to all of us with some really stupid decisions to be made by Congress this week. See them below:

Problem: Too-big-to-fail financial institutions
Solution: Bigger financial institutions (BAC+CFC+ML/JPM+BSC/BCS-LEH ad nauseum).


Problem: Lack of control over government spending.
Solution: Spend more, a lot more, borrow more, a lot more.


Problem: Fred and Treasury create serial bubbles, ending in tears.
Solution: Give Fred and Treasury more power.


Problem: Lack of price discovery and/or transparency in financial asset values.
Solution: Bury mortgages in government entity with neither accountability nor transparency.


Problem: Archaic and incompetently-implemented regulation creates over-levered institutions run by Jeff Skilling wannabes.
Solution: Bail out Skilling wannabes, witch-hunt the (relatively) innocent, and promise to regulate the already failed Ponzi scheme out of existence.


Wash, rinse, repeat.


There is only one thing necessary to understanding what is happening and it is this: no one at US banks, no one at the Federal Reserve and no one in politics can accept the reality that real estate assets in this country remain oversupplied, overpriced and over leveraged.

It is that simple.

TAF, TSLF, SuperSIV, TARP, none of that matters. No matter what acronym is created to disguise the fact that assets are overpriced, or what government intervention is created to prop up those asset prices, the market will inevitably overpower it. This time is not different. In fact, it is continuing to play out almost exactly as the Great Depression did...

http://nakedshorts.typepad.com/nakedshorts/

Stocks are overpriced too!!! It is that simple!!! "

Michael Allen wrote on Sep 22, 2008 7:28 PM:

" Wall St pricing is FORWARD looking, not backward. Bailouts sink prices if the problems fixed are behind us at the expense of the business model in front of us.

Why do we have the WORST trader the world has ever known running the Treasury? And since when does being Treasury Sec give you a personal set of keys to taxpayer money?

Yo Hank, you are a nobody in a simple bean counting job, chill out on the looting of funds on your free time.

Paulson formally declares himself in charge of world Martial law...

"Participating financial institutions must have significant operations in the U.S. unless the Secretary makes a determination, in consultation with the Chairman of the Federal Reserve, that broader eligibility is necessary to effectively stabilize financial markets."

http://www.treas.gov/press/releases/hp1150.htm

...subverting both Congress and the President of the United States

The Federal Reserve is bankrupt. They are in panic mode to grab more of YOUR money. Do not listen to their lies. "


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