" man you guys are lames!! i really like how those pendejos change there e to 3. For you people that dont know why they do that they are claiming to be sureno. i work taking care of these scum on a daily basis i know where they will end up. Little kids trying to be somthing ! "

" God may love everybody, but he does not love the BEHAVIOR of everybody. "

" OMG !!! DO U NOT HAVE A LIF3 ??? OR MAYB3 A PATH3TIC ON3 ! GOD U AR3 SO ANNOYING AS H3LL !!
IT DON'T MATTER IF PPL WANT TO CHANGE THEIR E'S TO 3'S THATS THEIR CHOICE...GET A LIFE OH YEAH AND GOD LOVES EVERYBODY....GANG MEMBERS , GAYS , MURDERS , ECT......
EVEN IGNORANT PPL LIKE U !!! HAHAHAHA "

" INFLUENCIAL OPTIONS THROUGHOUT LIFE ARE CHOSEN BASED ON THE AVAILABILITY OF MAKING MORE CHOICES TO ADVOCATE A CAUSE. GANGN VIOLENCE IS NOT THE SOLUTION TO ANY PROBLEM'S THAT ANY RACE CAN UNDERGO. SO BECAUSE I FIND IT FUNNY THAT THESE PEOPLE SUFFER IS ONLY BECAUSE OF THIER OWN CHOICES IN THIER DAY TO DAY LIFE. IF YOU THINK THAT IT IS DISRESPECTFUL I AM NOT SORRY FOR HAVING AN OPINION. SO WHEN PEOPLE WHO GET RESPECT WHEN THEY DIE PROBABLY MADE DECISIONS IN THIER OWN LIFE'S SO THAT PEOPLE WOULD REMEMBER THEM. (FAMILY EXCLUDED).


SO I URGE YOU TO URGE YOUR FRIENDS AND FAMILY MEMBERS TO MAKE WISE CHOICES AND TRY TO ADVOCATE THEM AND NOTHING BUT GOOD WILL COME OF IT........STUPID GANGS "

" How cares about this stupid story, or these worthless people. I dont "

" WOW... TYPICAL... "LIFESTYLES" ROFLMAO!!! YOU ACTUALLY SUPPORTING THE CAUSE. LIFESTYLE = 3 HOTS AND COT FOR LIFE. THAT IS NO LIFESTYLE I WANT. YOU BMC MEMBERS ARE WEAK. SCAREDY CATS. THAT IS WHY THE GANG WAS FORMED RIGHT.. CAUSE THERE WAS THAT GROUP OF KIDS JUST OLDER THAN YOU THAT PICKED ON YOU. THEN SOMEONE STOOD UP TO THEM. ie CLUB 7 MR. FLORRES. THEN VENGENCE STRIKES BACK AND A VERY POOR EXAMPLE OF A HUMAN BEING IS BEING PRODUCED BY SUCH SAID LIFESTYLE. KEEP ON TYPING TO PROVE MY POINT. "

" HA...YOU TELL HIM !!! I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU !! AND HALF THE BMC MEMBERS ARE WHITE !! HAHA SO HE CAN KICK ROCKS. "

" who the hell is jim p? hes leaving a comment everywhere & one minute hes being racist against the victims and gang members and the other hes saying rip rudy mata?? Do you have a job or something? you leave a comment every day.And are you tight with looney?? cause you brought up his name at least 2 times. "

" TO JIM P. FOR YOUR INFORMATION GANG MEMBERS DO KNOW HOW TO READ AND WRITE SOME OF THEM ARE VERY SMART PEOPLE BUT JUST GOT CAUGHT UP IN THE GANG.GANG MEMBERS CAN GET ON HERE AND BLOG ITS THERE RIGHT AND THEY WANNA LET EVERY ONE KNOW THERE OPINION.HAHAHA OPD CAN GET US ALL DEPORTED HAHA I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THAT HAPPEN BECAUSE THE CANT WE ARE U.S. CITIZENS.ITS THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA WE CAN LIVE WHERE EVER WE WUD LIKE.I BET YOUR LIFE ISNT SO PERFECT SO QUIT ACTN LIKE IT IS "

" SHUT THE HELL UP !!! SERIOUSLY...WE KNOW WHO YOU ARE. YOU THINK YOU KNOW SO MUCH ABOUT THESE PEOPLE AND THEIR LIFE STYLES....R.I.P RUDY MATA "

" THIS IS TO ANYONE ON HERE CLAIMING TO BE A GANG MEMBER..


MAYBE YOU ARE MAYBE YOU AREN'T. BUT IF YOU WERE REALLY A GANG MEMEBER YOU WOULDN'T WASTE YOUR TIME HERE BLOGGING. IF YOU WERE A GANG MEMBER YOU PROBABLY DON'T KNOW HOW TO READ, OR WRIT3..LOL STUPID KIDS! OPD COULD GET YOU ALL DEPORTED, WHY THEY DON'T? I DO NOT HAVE A CLUE. YOUR PARENTS PROBABLY COULDN'T PROVE CITIZENSHIP IF YOUR OWN LIFE DEPENDED ON IT. GROW UP, GET ON, AND MOVE AWAY FROM HERE. GO BACK TO A PLACE THAT THIS STUFF IS YOUR LIFE CAUSE NOBODY'S LIFE HERE IS THIS. I AM GLAD THAT THE ACTIONS UNFOLD THIS WAY IT JUST GOES TO SHOW US ALL THAT YOU ARE NOT CAPABLE OF LIVING IN CIVILIZED SOCIETY. LIKE JOSEPH DUNCAN, HITLER, DAHMER, LOONEY CUEVAS, MR. GARNER. SOCIETY WILL FUNCTION WITH OUT ALL OF THESE WASTES OF SKIN AND AIR! "

" Yes, "Revolution," the small towns-small minds comment was certainly uncalled-for. People cannot be faulted for wishing the preserve their rural/small town way of life. As for your proclamation that we should "show some respect for human life" and withold judgments on the individuals involved, I believe it would show more respect for human life if this issue were openly discussed and a solution sought. Throughout this country's history, we have had waves of immigrant populations who were frustrated by their "lack of voice," both economic and political. This same gang-like scenario plays out again and again, whether the ethnic group is Irish, Italian, Puerto Rican, Vietnamese or Mexican. Millions of government dollars are spent on these voiceless populations and their activities can destroy neighborhoods and break the back of law enforcement, not to mention the horrible cost in human life. But then, oddly enough, after a few generations, this ethnic group becomes assimilated to the American way of life, and the crisis is over. As a longtime member of this community and a parent of teenagers whose lives are touched by gang activity on a daily basis, I feel that there must be a way to speed up the process of assimilation. Our school district should be working on it. Our churches should be working on it. Our city government should be working on it. But most of all, the hispanic families should be working on it, through parenting groups, through youth activity organizations, whatever it takes to get their young ones turned in a better direction. Because, realistically, the hispanic families suffer the greatest losses to gang involvement: the loss of their children. And the people closest to the problem are the ones who can make the greatest difference. "

" How many of you read "Revolution's" snotty little opening line and stopped right there? God, I hate listening people who take that tone about small towns. "

" After reading through most of the comments, I see that rural towns tend to breed small minds indeed. Why else would you argue the issue of gangs without understanding why they exist in the first place?

Gangs exist out of despair. If you have no political or economical voice there is little else you can turn to. There are thousands of statistics that support this finding. This is the issue that must be addressed before any of you start to judge why or who or how people join gangs. Without fully understanding the issue of gangs, the tendencey will be to make ill informed and ignorant comments about a situation you have no historical understanding of. This is in no way supporting or defending the existence of a gang, but it is an explaination to the lure of them.

Those of you who knew the people involved and even those of you who didn't but still feel the need to comment, need to stop arguing semantics because no matter who you think is wrong or right, it still doesn't change the situation and it serves to further divide this already divided community along the lines of race even further.

Why not show some respect for human life, no matter what you may think of Mexicans or Gang Bangers or whatever? What does this say about us as a society when a young man dies and all anyone can do it make judgemental,racist and classist assumptions? This is not the first time racism has reared its ugly head in Ontario, nor will it be the last, but at least show some dignity and let Rudy and all the families who are hurting greive in peace. "

" Back in the early 80’s I stumbled over someone that was involved with the Mexican mafia, my life was threaten because of what I had seen. In the early 90’s I saw young Hispanic kids that wanted to belong to something, there was nothing positive out there for them. At that time the gangs were limited to Caldwell. The kids were reaching out but no one cared. Most of Ontario ignored the issue because it was limited to the Hispanic community. Around the turn of the century meth became a problem. One source was from gangs. The community continued to ignore the problem. Here it is 2008 and a majority of Ontario is still ignoring the problem. But now it has involved outside the Hispanic community and there are people that are becoming concerned about the gangs and drug problem. We all have a responsibility to take care of kids. If there is nothing positive out there for them, this is what will happen. Let’s try to turn Ontario around. "

" In response to a recent reply on my post's,, Do i have a Heart? 1. Yes I do, to the young innocent lives lost to the punks in gangs, and other criminals who take thier lives. I have a heart to the hungry child in a gang home because his ,or her low class dead beat gang daddy, or gang mommy cant feed them due to thier filthy crack & alcohol habits etc. 2.Are the things i wrote from the low devil himself? Maybe! but more than likely from the truth itself. 3.Are my words Harsh? Yes, and they wont get any easier, because the truth hurts sometimes. Am i Gonna die lonely? Who knows! Are you gonna die alone someday? Probably..That is out of my control, as it is out of yours.As a Veteran of a conflict over 30 years ago, I have seen what the devil can deal us in life. And all those worthless little punks are doing is bringing the same kind of conduct here in our streets. If you live by the gun, so as you will surely die by it. Do i have sympathy for those criminals? No. Mexicans or not, Blacks or not, Whites or not. They are all scum. After all its not if you have a heart,,its where you place it that matters....... "

" you know I like to party with my friends occasionally too and I can gaurantee you that none of us bring guns. These people have chosen a lifestyle and have paid for it. The most we can hope for now is that others learn from this and more young lives don't have to be wasted. Your comment that gangs are silly and childish borders on ridiculous, how about gangs are stupid and deadly. I think that's a little closer to the mark. "

" this comment is to the gang members replacing the E with a 3. wouldn't it be faster to be fast and efficient then take a long time tying the 3 all the time. sheesh. well anyways..I like how you say R.I.P to Rudy and send your love to Gonzolo....but then end the conversation by sending love to "BMG." How is is that you can feel bad for this family, but praise the people who did it?? That makes absolutely no sence at all!!

I knew the 2 victims and really dont understand how you can praise a gang anc claim to have each others back when you go and murder your own people. There is no reason for that at all. This whole incident proved that BMC is SHADY and all you little people trying to claim it....you should be very proud!! wink wink!! Obviously they werent loyal to the matas ..putting them and there family in a situation where they have to pick family over "fellow gang memnbers"...obviously what happened last week shows how "BMC" is to their fellow people.

I LOVE RUDY AND GONZALO WITH ALL MY HEART, BUT PLEASE TALE THIS AS A LESSON. OPEN UR EYES!! IF "BMC" DIDNT HAVE THE MATA'S BACK, WHAT MAKES YOU THINK THEY WILL HAVE. YOURS???? OPEN YOUR EYES!!! PLEASE,...OR YOU YOUNG KIDS WILL BE NEXT.

AND PLEASE START USING A E INSTEAD OF A 3....ITS A HEADACHE TO SEE THAT!! "

" I would like to say "Society in General" is obviously a person with no heart and is going to die alone. The thigs that he wrote are definately low blows from the devil. I'm against gangs as well including the "BMC". But the words he used were very harsh and it will soon come back to you. "

" I respect and agree with everything that "an old friend" wrote. I see that this is a tragedy. However it happened and the only think I can do is pray for the people involved..even the people who did it. Who knows there reasoning of why they did what they did, and it makes me very mad. but bashing and throwing racial comments aren't going to make the situation better. I hope the people sending those bad comments have children, cause if so...I really feel bad for them. Teaching that all Mexicans are illegal immigrants is not right. Some person wrote "lets close the borders and take our country back", WOW.!! The matas are U.S Citizens just like you, so obviously its because there Mexican's that your all negative and bringing out the racial comments.

I personally think all gangs are silly and childish..but all that gang issues aside. I knew Gonzalo and Rudy Mata very well and they were good kids. They may hate the authority....hey I don't agree with the authority at times. (for my own personal reasons) They may have there own reason as well. But as for all the profiling on what all gangsters do, steeling guns, vandalism....I don't remember them to be like that. They were very respectful boys that were generous. I haven't seen them in a long time, but I head they had full time jobs and are taking care of there families. They attended a party with there friends and Rudy was a victim and his life was taken away....In defense Gonzalo shot a gun as well...ya its not right...but maybe if he didn't do that he would be gone too?? And alot of you are thinking GOOD. But for the people that knew them, knew that they weren't bad people. I am very sad to see that Rudy is no longer here and I send my heart out to his mom, dad, girlfriend, kids and the rest of his family and friends for the pain that there going thru. I will always remember his smile..he was always smiling.

Rest in Peace Rudy...the ones who matter will miss you! "

" I just really want to say that all the posts that I have read, and I read most of them, really tears me up. I knew each and every one that was involved. Granted, I really don't stay in much contact anymore, but I know them. What happened was a tragedy. Life has tragedities and no one can changed it. God has put us all here and how we choose to live is our own. I listen to some of you judge what has happened. Read your Bible and know that when you are judging the people that did this, you are only judging your self. God is the only judge and that is how it is. I pray for the families that have lost loved ones and I pray for the ones that have committed the crime. I used to be involved in all the "gang" scene, drugs, guns...you name it, I did it. I changed my life knowing what was going to become of myself if I didn't. All we can hope for is the best and go from there. I really hope that everyone reading this understands where I am coming from and I hope the best for the families. Rest in Peace and God Bless your souls. "

" You have to love this new day and age of Blogging!! First off I would like to say most of everyone's comments are correct! People in churches, OPD, City Counseling, baseball teams, football teams are all involved in a gang! A group of individuals who have the same and common interest. The difference between a these examples and the other! The other often meet up for criminal purposes! The So called BMC gang has been known to sell drugs, steal guns, assault other who don’t believe in what they do.

Which brings me to what do they believe in. Respect, loyalty, honor, and Money. Who do they respect, only members of their own! They do not respect law enforcement, they don’t respect victim’s property, they take respect by putting fear into people, they sometimes don’t even have the loyalty! Wow, this really sounds like a terrorist to me!

Now to whom ever is "BMC". Your probably some 14 year old child who things they are involved in the BMC gang! Notice how it writes with replacing his e with a 3 and you don’t know them comment. No one needs to know them. They took part in criminal activity to benefit their BMC gang. They sold drugs and stole guns. Yes he is a father and I feel sorry for those kids. Sorry for him and his brother, no. Do I feel bad that Rudy is no longer will us, yes.

In closing RIP Rudy Mata aka Mr. Boo wrote: "and its not the parents fault it opd's fault they started saying your a gang member just be cuz of the type of people you hang out with so you become a gang member." That is the most ridiculous comment I have ever heard. In fact it makes me laugh a little. See these type of comments and that type of thinking is what helps young kids go to the direction of a gang. Lets break it down: "Its not the parents fault" Take a look whom ever you are and who ever is BMC writer, how many so call BMC'rs have both parents in the home? How Many brothers and sisters do they have? That would be one parent and several brothers and sisters. I bet most live in low-income housing. Mother has to work to attempt to provide for the family.I know she has to work where dad? Usually in prison or gone because he got what he wanted! So, whos watching the kids? The Streets. I’ve always said if u can’t raise one child why have more! Some parents are also members or have been members themselves and allow this type of behavior to happen.

I love this one: "Its OPD's fault" Take a look on why they label them and how they do it before you go off and say this! OPD don’t label them they label themselves by wearing blue, tagging, and hanging out with others who are gang members. AKA Rudy, Gonzalo, Armando, and Oscar! All four gang members.

It all starts at home with the parents. All Criminal gangs are idiots and will end up either dead or in prison. And the rest of us law abiding citizens will be paying their three meals a day, room, tv, and education! Heart breaking isn’t it! "

" I've been reading some of the comments and wonder what the comment from the "mexican man" means when he ask, "When did everyone get so bitter and hateful?" Was it eight years of listening to our dumb president?" Talk about bitter, hateful and dumb!! Did you know President Bush speaks Spanish fluently? Did you know he wants to give amnesty to all the illegial aliens in our country? I'd think you would support him. This blog tells me we shouldn't always believe everything we hear on the news or the blogs.
These killings have been terrible for their families and our community, but the old saying "if you live by the gun, you'll die by the gun," is true. Fathers, mothers, brothers, sisters, uncles, aunts, teach your little ones better.
Your last comment about us that attend church. Yes, we are a group of people that go to learn about the Lord. We aren't a group that have to be "beaten," to be a part of them. We walk in the door, and we are in. Our activities are legal, gangs activitives are illegal. Tagging, stealing, vandalism, shooting, stabbing, etc. We "cover" each other in prayer, not with further violence.
My sympathy to you that have lost your loved ones. "

" I would like to reminde some people that now some kids have control over parents because the legal system allows it. I belive that some of the parent are dealing with threats from thier own kid telling them that they can lie to the police and they (the parent) would be in trouble. I belive some parents are scared to go through the legal system and end up with child abuse charges even though they never touched thier kids. "

" It’s sad that the two of you have to use your gang banging stupid a@# writing on this blog. Rudy died doing what he did best gang banging. It’s tragic that the two of you attempt to defend him by using your sissy gang banging writing with your little 3’s to show your down with the same gang that killed him. WOW! That’s intelligence for you. If a family member kills a family member in cold blood I’m going to support and honor that family member for killing the other family member. The two of you are doing that by writing in your sissy 3’s and giving your love to the BMC gang that killed him. To say that’s it’s the Police’s fault for a person becoming a gang member shows that you have the intelligence like most gang members… 0.. None, nothing, nadda, not any, not an iota of any intelligence. Honest people have nothing to fear by the police. All gang members are criminals and try to justify their behavior using many avenues. To blame the police for the direction you choose in life… STUPID IS THAT STUPID DOES…. face the facts it mostly goes back to idiot parents who couldn’t raise their children correctly. However: I do feel sorry for his wife and children. The sad consequence of all of this is that his children more-than-likely will grow up to follow his footsteps. Dysfunction breeds dysfunction unless someone in the circle stops it. All BMC gang members should be shipped to a deserted island so the rest of humanity don’t have to suffer because of your stupid criminal behaviors that cost the tax payers of Ontario and surrounding area’s $100’000’s of dollars yearly. Let’s face the facts that almost every BMC member is in prison, jail, or on probation for your many acts of criminality that you force upon the honest hard working members of our society. You should hold your heads in shame and beg forgiveness that you give a bad name to the good hard working Latino people. "

" I have been in your town, and I can honestly say that in all the time I spent there I did not ever run into a "real" gang member, I saw a whole lot of "wanna be's". Judging by what just happened, ya'll have just reaffirmed that, you guys have no idea what a real gang is!!! No gang life style is any good, and nothing good comes out of it. I was in a real Cali gang for very many years, and all it got me was trouble and heart ache!!! I thank God every night that I had the courage to get out and start a real life, no drugs, no violence and a lot of hard work. It has paid of because I am a very successful woman that is raising my young hispanic kids alone, and NOT to be idoits and do the same things that I did. Don't teach your kids to make the same mistakes you are, break the cycle NOW!!! It's never to late!! To the mother's that have to raise these kids on thier own, don't make the mistake of having them idolize there fathers mistakes, instead use them as the reason of why not to live that life style. It's too late for all the people involved but it's not too late for thier children!! GANGSTERS IT'S TIME TO GET YOUR HEADS OUT OF YOUR BEHIND'S, AND ASK YOURSELF'S, IS THIS REALLY WORTH IT???? LIFE CAN BE SO BEAUTIFUL IF YOU WORK HARD AND MAKE IT THAT WAY, QUIT GIVING ALL THESE BIGOT'S REASONS TO BASH OUR WONDERFUL RACE!!!!!! "

" Well this is too BMC,Irate,& RIP Rudy. I can tell by your Writing, Or (lack of Grammar & Spelling)That you are all great products of Gang life and probably copies of the species of parents that had you.Total waste cases,etc. I knew both Rudy and Gonzalo. At one time they seemed good, (when they were little), They joined the so called BMC (Brown Mexican Chickensh--s).And turned into total wasted pieces of human waste, drug addicts,thieves, liars and cheaters.So cry and whine all you want, You BMC'ers will likely all meet the same fate.And will your momma's really cry? Probably not. I know i won't. "

" Do you people, you know those of you showing "much love" to the BMC gang and its members, DO YOU PEOPLE REALLY NOT HAVE AN "E" KEY????? Or do you not know the difference between a "3" and an "E".. it cracks me up.. maybe you should all use your gang meetings and gatherings to get smart and learn how to live without getting on welfare... "

" I have known the Mata family for many many years. I know a loving family, It doesnt matter how or why something happened it is that something did happen. Lets put aside if it was bad or good what lead to the death of a young man who had his whole life ahead of him. The fact is that a 25 year old man lost his life on Saturday. He was a person who was loved by wonderful parents and brothers and sisters many neices nephews aunts uncles cousins and friends. And now 2 babies will grow up not having their father to raise them to be with them to scare the boogie man out from under the bed. A family has one less family member to love to celebrate with. This is the time my heart breaks for the Mata family. Put aside everything and put your self in their place. Just try to imagine what they are going through. You cant you could never feel that much hurt. Pray for this family. Do what God would intend for you to do. Embrace them love them. To the Mata family I love you. You are in my every thought and prayer. "

" " TO EVERYONE POSTING ON THIS PARTICULAR ARTICLE:

This is a forum to express your comments regarding this particular article; however, nearly every comment expressed has been a result of the respective writers own ignorance regarding this incident.

Most all posts below contain a lack of knowledge in regards to what happened that morning, as not one posting contains proven facts or evidence. Every comment regarding the family, race, gangs, et. al. is worthless.

Ontario is a small community and to place the blame on ANYONE, to assume something based on a report written by a small-town newspaper journalist or gossip, and to make false accusations or assumptions adds unnecessary stress to all of those involved.

If you have extensive, proven facts...then you should speak up...wisely. All others, you're what is called ignorant. Not ignorant in a derogatory way, but in a way that you simply do not have facts and do not know the exact cause of this situation. You need to watch what you're writing, as it makes you and your comments look ridiculous, if not childish (as some of the posts are).

***LEAVE YOUR UNPROVEN, PERSONAL OPINIONS TO YOURSELF AND ALLOW THIS FAMILY THE OPPORTUNITY TO MOURN THE LOSS OF THEIR SON IN PEACE***

With Love to the Mata Family,

Anonymous "

" You are an idiot! They all were scum, and nothing can change that. If they had any affiliation with any gang, they are idiots. They need to look around at how others are living, take a few notes. The parents of these young men need to take a look at themselves and the jobs they didn't do, and the affect it has taken on the community. They are leaches on the community, and only make problems for someone else to clean up. "

" I dont take guns to my church. Nice comparision. Maybe if these scum went to church this would not have happened. Dont compare my church to your crappy way of life. Quit blaming someone else and blame these horrable kids "

" OH MY GOD !!! THIS MESSAGE IS TO "CAN'T BELIEVE YOU PEOPLE", DID YOU JUST CALL THEM PEICE OF S*#TS, YOU SHOULD BURN IN H**L.....IT IS NOT THEIR PARENTS FAULT !!! I WOULD LOVE TO MEET YOU IN PERSON , RUDY HAD A FULL TIME JOB , A WIFE AND 2 BABIES....HOW DARE YOU LABEL HIM !!! LET HIM REST IN PEACE
YOUR JUST SCARED TO SAY YOUR REAL NAME ON HERE....WELL I WOULD BE TO AFTER MAKING THAT COMMENT THAT YOU MADE !!!
MAY GOD BLESS YOUR SOUL !!
R.I.P RUDY MATA WE ALL MISS YOU "

" In several of these blogs, I see references to the fact that we "judgmental types" don't "understand" the gang lifestyle. We're told that these young people GOT CAUGHT UP IN BAD BEHAVIOR, BUT THAT DOESN'T MAKE THEM BAD PEOPLE. Sorry. When you knowingly break laws and cause suffering to others, you are a bad person. When you correct your behavior and make an effort to pay retribution, you have a chance of becoming a good person. (And please, no more of "nobody's perfect." Of course, nobody's perfect. We're all just out here, trying to be "decent.")

The only way this senseless violence is going to stop is if parents and others in positions of respect teach and model the difference between right and wrong. Drugs are bad. Aggression is bad. Stealing is bad. Vandalism is bad. Laziness is bad. HONESTY IS GOOD. PROBLEM-SOLVING IS GOOD. RESPECTFULNESS IS GOOD. KINDNESS IS GOOD. HAVING AND WORKING TOWARD GOALS IS GOOD. These are simple messages, but many young people have not received them. For starters, I challenge the Catholic Church: What efforts are being made toward counteracting gang influence? And I challenge the families who have gang connections: Are you doing all you can to make sure your children are educated about right and wrong? Are you showing them a better path? If not, then this problem is, and will continue to be, your fault. "

" Well; here it is,They came, They joined, They asked for, and They rightfully received what they got. I say let them all kill each other. they are the waste and scurge of this country.Now as taxpayers we got to pay for the mess.Gangs (aka PUNKS). Most of whom have parents that are just as scummy, lazy and etc.I will sleep safer tonight knowing a few more are gone. "

" W3LL ALL I WANNA SAY IS THT I AM A GANG M3MB3R AND W3 R NOT L3ACH3S AND T3RRORIST FOR YOUR INFORMATION LADY!
SOCI3TY WILL MISS RUDY!
AND IT'S NOT TH3 PAR3NTS FAULT IT'S OPD'S FAULT THY START SAYIN UR A GANG M3MB3R JST B CUZ OF TH3 TYP3 OF P3OPL3 U HANG OUT WITH SO U B3COM3 A GANG M3MB3R.
MUCH LUV 2 TH3 BMC GANG AND 2 TH3 MATA FAMILY AND 2 RUDY AND GONZALOS WIF3S AND FAMILY! "

" W3LLL...2 START OFF MY LITTL3 BLOG COMM3NT...I WANNA SAY MUCH LUV 2 RUDY AND POLLY...AND 2 GONZALO K33P UR H3AD UP!AND 2 ALL TH3S3 P3OPL3 MAKING COMM3NTS ON RUDY AND GONZALO K33P UR MOUTHS SHUT CUZ U DNT KNO THM!
THY HAD JOBS W3R DUIN GOOD AND TAKING GOOD CAR3 OF TH3IR FAMILI3S!
HOW DID THY KNO THT WAS GONNA HAPP3N?
THY DIDNT!
RUDY YOU'LL ALWAYS B IN OUR H3ARTS AND N3V3R FORGOTT3N!
AND MUCH LUV 2 TH3 BMC GANG! "

" If you don't know the family, don't judge the family. I know some of the family, and they are good people who are grieving. It's so easy to rush to judgment and show off our prejudices. If my son were murdered, I would be grieving for my son, perhaps even more than if he had died in some heroic way. My thoughts and prayers are with the Mata family. Although I abhor gang violence, I grieve for the innocent ones, and I really don't care what the judgmental people of Ontario think. "

" it so easy for you all to not know anything at all about the whole situation, have u ever been in a gang? opd is the biggest gang in ontario, how bout the city council there not a gang wtf is a gang define it? i hope the shooters hang for this, as for family sorry u had a POS in ur family anyway. maybe we should all jus blame the goverment!!!!!!! we know these guys were on drugs cuz they wouldn't of had the balls to do it otherwise, they are cowards and dont even deserve respect from thier gang. i wished the victims in this incident would of hit one of these punks. That being said tha Rgus observer should hire me.....and i can hide behind a computer too....... "

" Whats goin on with the people around here? this used to be an area where everybody got along and nobody was judged merely by what he was wearing or what his skin color was. when did every body get so bitter and hateful. was it eight years of listening to our dumb president, or are you just hateful by nature.

dont talk about something you dont understand. sure rudy got mixed up in something he really didnt understand, but he doesnt deserve to get dumped on by your comments or feelings. he was a father, a brother, a son, a husband and a friend. NOT A SCUM. if you had lost somebody close to you, would you like to read somebody calling that person worthless or a SCUM. didnt think so!

and to the law abiding citizens, if you attend a church, you are in a gang. you have guidelines, you have a leader, you have a ritual that newcomers have to abide by in order to attend..its just that they have different guidelines, so dont missenterpret the word gang. they just dont have the same beliefs you do. that doesnt give you the right to judge anybody.HOW ABOUT THT? "

" Perhaps everyone needs to step back or at least shut up. How dare you refer to this young man as scum. He is made of the same thing as you and I. Do you think his mother desired this lifestyle for her children? Do you anyhting about this family and all they've endured. Even before this tragedy.
Are you serious, you would teach your children to hate & be judgemental. Isn't that what made you so bitter and ugly.
Don't get me wrong, I too am worried and afraid of the escalation of gangs and gang activity. But hate is not the answer. I don't know what is.
What I know is this family.............
They are all hardworking and good people. I also know these 2 boys got caught up in a harsh world of no escape. Unfortunately, Rudy did find a way out. May he RIP.
My condolences & love to the family. "

" These idiots need to get a reality check, they think just because they are a group of no good thugs,they are gang members, they should spend a week in Cali!!! Even though they are young adults now, at one time they where kids, so the only people that are to blame are the parents, I know some of them first hand, and they are to blame!!! It's sad that anybody has to die, but these idoits are doing nothing but giving hispanics a BAD rap...to the parents...SHAME ON YOU, you should have raised your kids with a little dignity and a lot of respect!!! "

" First of all I can't believe how so many people that are writing are so caught up on treating this like it's not a BIG DEAL cause it's just another "scum" or "punk" off the streets! Wow and I bet that some of you writing consider yourself close to perfect or a very productive citizen. But in reality to be so close minded as you all are by judging and assuming everyone invovled in a gang is a hateful person. I agree with all of you who think that this is not acceptable behavior because it's not and I too don't think being in a gang is something to be proud of. But to act like it's ok that this person is dead and deserved it because he was in a gang is just as bad! Your right for every bad choice we make we should pay for our actions but that doesn't make it's ok too kill someone else. A mother has lost a child and a child as lost a father, and even though maybe this person was not living the life style that they should have it's still a human being. That's what we should be teaching our youth, that joinging a gang does nothing good for you, but get you into trouble or dead. So many kids now days think it's cool or "my hommies" will be there for me, but in reality that's all garbage and all of you in a gang know that's true, whether you want to admit it or not! I know someone mentioned that we should teach our kids from a young age that gangs are not ok and that's true we should, but we should also teach our kids to respect everyone and love everyone, that doesn't mean to love the bad that they are doing, but you teach the kids to love the person not the life style they live! I know that no one is perfect and it's always so easy for everyone to judge and point fingers, but until we can actually stop hating one another and start respecting eachother then nothing is going to stop these hateful crimes! Our youth are lost and long for someone to accept them and if the gangs are showing accpetance than that is why so many youth are joining gangs, but that doesn't mean it's only hispanics, or what everyone wants to blame it on "illegal immigrants" cause believe it or not, it's anyone from any race, color,rich or poor, on assistance or not! It can happen even to the best of us, so before anyone starts acting like their lives are perfect and starting talking nonsense take a good look at what your doing to help the situation or better the lives of those around you!!! "

" I think it is soo sad as a community that there is no remorse, Rudy is portrayed as a street thug who was a menace, not at all in fact, it was not reported that he is a father of 2 who held a job a took care of his children and wife. He has a family who loves him. It is so easy to judge someone when you in fact dont know anything about them, i think the media is doing a horrible job in telling the real story!!!! "

" SOME MORE SCUM... MAYBE WE CAN COMPARE THESE CRIMINALS TO JOESEPH DUNCAN. ATLEAST NO ONE IS SAYING "GET THEM HELP" OR "IT WASN'T SUPPOSED TO KILL HIM". LIKE PEOPLE HAVE DONE ON OTHER BLOGS. IT WASN'T SUPPOSED TO SHASTA GROENING, OR IT WASN'T HIS FAULT SHE SAID SHE WAS EIGHTEEN... OR DID SHE..GIVE THEM ALL BACK WE DONT NEED THIER KIND HERE "

" all fools, there's nothing left to say really. "

" Those dumb idiots are leaches and domestic terrorists and should be dealt with accordingly. Society won't miss Rudy. A lady said on a newscast that the OPD needs better training. I think the OPD needs help. Training helps too. "Homeland Security" should become involved and rid our society of this scum.

And worried, you are scum if you belong to a gang. We as law abiding citizens are tired of the likes of yours tagging, shooting, and acting like you are so tough. We are tired of paying your way with welfare and other subsidies. You choose to break the law and you should loose those subsidies. I have no respect for your gang. How about THT? "

" The young men involved in this incident and the one at Club 7 are at an age that makes them difficult to reason with. They're young adults, not teen-agers, making the choice to be active in gangs. They're beyond the reach of public schools and too old to be affected by anything their parents have to say. As much as we hate to see it, they have a right to make their own choices and then pay the consequences. But, if I had a child who was involved in a gang, I would be sending him a strong message that this is not acceptable. He would not be allowed in my home or anywhere near it. And he would not be allowed to associate with younger siblings or relatives. I see so many parents taking an attitude of tolerance about gang affilliation. Expectations need to be raised within this culture. "We expect that you will finish high school. We expect that you will obey the laws. We expect that you will be gainfully employed. We expect that you will be selective about the company you keep and put as much distance as possible between yourself and known gang affilliates." From the time they are little, children need to be told that gang activity is a dirty business and holds no hope for the future. What I see is these little guys wearing their big shirts and baggy pants and viewing older gang members with admiration. And mama is saying, "He's your uncle and we gotta love him because he's family, regardless of the trouble he's in." Instead she should be saying, "He's your uncle, and until he straightens up and becomes a productive citizen, you are to have nothing to do with him or his good-for-nothing friends!" "

" Thank go it wasn't a law abiding person that was involved. THis will help get the rest of them off of our city streets. "

" What a bunch of idiots "

" My heart goes out to the family of Rudy no matter what happened by who or why a family is in deep sorrow today my thoughts and prayers are with them. "

" You state "I guess they don't really respect their gang to do that to one of their own". What an ignorant statement if I ever heard one.
What about saying how sad and pathetic it is that these people get involved in gangs in the first place.
You don't have to be in a gang.
You don't have to cause trouble.
You could be a respectable and responsible citizen contributing to society. "

" It all has to do with Hector, he can't take the heat for what he did at club 7 so if he is going to pay he feels like others have to too, but the sad thing is that Armando, bubba and all them were good friends, I guess they dont really respect thier gang, to do that to one of thier own. Pretty pathetic! Rudy You will be missed. and Gonzalo we are thinking of you! "