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sister -n- law wrote on Sep 6, 2008 7:02 PM:

" HEY RUDY WE LOVE U AND MISS U SO MUCH ALWAYS AND FOREVER YOUR FAMILY .. ( R.I.P RUDY MATA )

LOVE GORDA ,FLACA , MARI ,
CAROL , AND YOUR BIG BROTHER GONZALO WHO LOVES U WITH ALL HIS HEART R.I.P LITTLE BROTHER ... "

Earth Angels wrote on Sep 6, 2008 3:04 PM:

" To the Mata Family You all loved your son and brother and the ignorant opinions of people is not going to change that know that there are people here in this community that care about you and we know the truth about what a good person your son was (it showed in all who attended his funeral)Keep your head up.Live One Day At A time !!! It Gets Better I promise!! "

grew up in ontario wrote on Sep 5, 2008 10:56 AM:

" again people are making assumptions. I am not involved in gangs, I am a woman, and definetly not an idiot. All you are doing is helping the spread of violence.You're telling people to go to the "park and settle it", Now what kind of solution is that??? We need to educate people and lead by example!! If you don't like something change it!!! Instead of writing on this blog write to your city, county, or state governement. I beleive something should be done about are gang problem but as we all know the Argus isn't going to do anything about that. Write to someone who can. "

JIM P. wrote on Sep 5, 2008 8:17 AM:

" SO -JUST STOPPIN BY- YOU THROW GANG SIGNS JUST TO SEE IF A PERSON THINKS THAT A CHALLENGE IS A REACTION OR YOU ACTUALLY THROW GANG SIGNS CAUSE YOU WANNA MAKE YOUR PRESENCE KNOWN? GANG SIGNS BEING THROWN IS PROBABLY ONE OF THOSE CHOICES. DO YOU TRY AND ADVOCATE FOR GANGS REGULARLY? "

stan wrote on Sep 4, 2008 11:18 PM:

" like i said open your eyes look at the color of these people if there so good go to the east side of town late at night with your woman and walk around for a will "

My Family wrote on Sep 4, 2008 2:22 PM:

" I've been reading these through out the days and it makes me very sad. I'm related to the Mata family. I don't live there, but seeing all this anger and hatered is just horrible. When tradegy occurs people in a community should come together, instead it's the opposite. Thank you for the people who are sending there prayers and condolences to all my family over there, and also for those who payed their respects at the service. I don't think it was taken into consideration that someones family would be reading this when you decided to make cruel comments. Yes there is such thing as the first amendment, there is also something called class. My cousin was a great man, and I say man because yes back in the day he did make mistakes as we all do although he was doing his best and turned his life around providing for his family, taking care of his responsiblies. Being a man. That also goes for my cousin Gonzalo. My family is suffering a lot, if you have something to add please do it in good taste. And here's a fact, my family is all LEGAL! No green cards necessary because we where born and raised here, we are third gerneration American's. It's unfortunate that my aunt, Rudy's own mom was having a hard time greiving because she was consumed w/ everyones shall I say opinions. A mother needs to greive, she had her son taken from her. Let it be... "

to grew up in ontario wrote on Sep 4, 2008 12:15 PM:

" You may be right about "not just mexicans are in gangs", but if you haven't noticed, only mexicans are getting into trouble, causing trouble and dying around here, because of "your" gangs. If you all are so TOUGH, go out to the park and settle it by yourselves, like real men, which none of you are. ALL IDIOTS!!!!!!!!!!!! "

JIM P. wrote on Sep 4, 2008 7:16 AM:

" AS A CAT HATER... I THINK THAT A BURLAP SACK AT THE BOTTOM OF A SLEW WOULD BE MORE SUITABLE. "

Just stoping BY wrote on Sep 3, 2008 11:42 PM:

" you know, the worst part of this whole scene was not the fact that 1 of bmc got shot, but the fact that we lost another carnal (bro), cuz, homie, friend, son, and even rival. but why talk now? Where were all of these big mouths now that are typing crap about HISPANIC's and WHITE's. We should have more dignity in us than what we write. To BMC, you guys should know that it was all about belonging. Yeah, it turned differently after all of 18th street went down and 21 street didnt represent no more. If i am not mistaken they all ended up being friends, but not by choice. "keep your head"--to the Mata family. that is all i can tell you. every time i get into O-town and the N-Y double S A....i trow my "WEST SIDE" sign, but not cuz i belong with them, only because i wanna see how many stupid young adults like me are willing to take up a challenge. Please people stop writting crap here, instead of beign hateful, be respectfull and supportive. Lets get our young teenagers on a straight path, like someone on this blog said, it starts in Middle School...and it truely does, 8th grade in my opinion is where i've seen it. Lets not let anymore of our own be shred in blood. Instead of seeing one of our own on the police blog lets see him for being a community leader. Instead of judging him of how he dresses let acknowledge his achievemetns. There is more to see than just failure. "

Re...scared I thought so wrote on Sep 3, 2008 2:40 PM:

" How old are you 12? Oh thats right thats the mentality of you gang bangers..Get out and stay out. I know that there are enough people around here that are not afraid of the likes of you. "

re superman datho wrote on Sep 3, 2008 11:47 AM:

" "THAT CAT GOT WHAT HE DESERVED" , WHO THE HELL DO U THINK U ARE ?? OH MY !!! WHY DON'T U SAY UR REAL NAME ?? SCARED ??? I THOUGHT SO !!
R.I.P RUDY MATA "

JIM P. wrote on Sep 3, 2008 9:32 AM:

" WELL Superman Datho

I THINK THAT BMC STANDS FOR "BEING MURDERED CASUALLY". THAT ISN'T RACIST IS IT? LOL "

To Jim P wrote on Sep 2, 2008 11:39 PM:

" You are so stupid that nobody even responded to your ignorant messages, they were so dumb. Why don't you give up your last name, you ignorant, racist pig. We think we know who you are. ummmmmmmmm "

Exiled wrote on Sep 2, 2008 5:43 PM:

" "Note: All comments are subject to approval"

Um... So WHO is it that is approving these comments? My $20 is the computer just posts them automatically. "

Superman Datho wrote on Sep 2, 2008 3:11 PM:

" No matter how ignorant or racist these comments are, last time I checked there was something called the 1st Amendment. That is the whole point of these blogs...to express peoples opinions and feelings. I pay taxes and want to raise my family in a safe environment. Do you think the drug dealers are claiming the drug income on their 1040's? Didnt think so. What does the B stand for in BMC? Exactly... so the relevance to derogitory comments regarding race is relevant. Racism will never end as humans see in color. Yes there are scumbags of every race...but Ontario's gang problem is primarily Latino. Statistics don't lie. Does it mean that all are in gangs? No. The cat got what he deserved. Play with fire and you'll get burned. Note to self: Avoid the Fair View Apts. "

Wow wrote on Sep 2, 2008 2:31 PM:

" Did that guy say beaner? "

Andrew wrote on Sep 2, 2008 10:59 AM:

" Nice job monitoring these blogs Argus staff. Your paper should be an asset to this community, but is the opposite. I am cancelling my subscription and encourage others to do the same. "

nyssa...tx wrote on Sep 2, 2008 10:20 AM:

" rest in peace rudy.....you and ur family are in my prayers.

gangs members are everywhere and they are not just made up of mexicans and they are not just in ontario..you narrow minded people should really think before they talk.. "

grew up in ontario wrote on Sep 2, 2008 8:23 AM:

" All of you posting comments on here are just as bad as the gangs you are speaking bad of. You are judging and hating people you don't know. People of every nationality and every age are involved in violence everyday. We are all the human RACE and a country of immigrants. Not everyone is perfect but we can lead by example and not cause anymore hate and discontent. "

someone educated wrote on Sep 1, 2008 3:10 PM:

" Hey BMC proud: You say the idea was to protect family and not to sell drugs or be involved in crime. Heroin was created to solve the morphine problem...Truman dropped the bomb to "Protect us from Imperialistic Japan"....While some things have innocent beginnings...they dont always turn out that way you anticipate. Now your little beaner clique has a dead guy and more going to the slammer... Sounds pretty innocent to me. Last time I checked, murder was a crime. "

someone educated wrote on Sep 1, 2008 3:08 PM:

" Hey BMC proud: You say the idea was to protect family and not to sell drugs or be involved in crime. Heroin was created to solve the morphine problem...Truman dropped the bomb to "Protect us from Imperialistic Japan"....While some things have innocent beginnings...they dont always turn out that way you anticipate. Now you little beaner clique has a dead guy and more going to the slammer? Sounds pretty innocent to me. Last time I checked, murder was a crime. "

Aggrivated wrote on Sep 1, 2008 12:40 PM:

" Sound's like poor ol John Meir, need's to obey the traffic law's that we are all suppose to obey...and I would bet if you did...the OPD wouldn't be stopping you ( or as you put it ) harrassing you with traffic ticket's...

JUST OBEY THE LAW JOHN....AND MAYBE THE OPD CAN FIND TIME FOR THE GANG ENFORCEMENT.... "

JIM P. wrote on Aug 31, 2008 9:44 PM:

" WELL I DO SAY.. YEAH THAT THEY AND OR THIER PARENTS ARE ILLEGALS. ASK THEM FOR THIER GREEN CARDS... I'LL BET THAT NONE OF THE PARENTS HAVE THEM AND THE KIDS PROBABLY COULD HAVE HAD THEM HAD THE PARENTS DONE THE PAPER WORK FOR THEM. GANGSTERS IN ONTARIO I SAY TO YOU. YOU ARE NOTHING. YOU WANT TO SEE REAL GANG VIOLENCE GO BACK TO MEXICO CITY OR LOS' ANGELES'. YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY THE WORST THING FOR OUR COMMUNITY. I ALSO AGREE WITH ANOTHER POST FOR THE ONTARIO POLICE DEPARTMENT TO GET OFF THIER A##'S AND NIP THIS HEAR AND NOW. YOU HAVE IGNORED THE WHOLE PROBLEM SINCE 1996 WHEN IT STARTE TO GET BAD WITH LOONEY CUEVAS. SO THIS TASK FORCE THAT BUSTS UP MY HEAD SHOP AND POT GROWERS SHOULD PROBABLY FOCUS ON PUBLIC SERVICE FOR OUR YOUTH. CLEAN UP OUR SH%&tY STREETS FINALLY. "

citizen wrote on Aug 31, 2008 12:54 PM:

" To not a racist.....I am white and worked the 9-5 raising my family and was still the victim of a gang-related shooting. Just because you turn your back and pretend that this doesn't effect you doesn't make it so. I know most of these kids as I have lived here my whole life and there are more whites in the BMC then you think. They are not all poor and from broken families just real people. Maybe you should open your mind and your eyes. "

Poor John wrote on Aug 31, 2008 11:52 AM:

" Sounds like John Meier, needs another traffic citation. John may suffer from little mans syndrome, feels power behind the wheel and gets upset when someone forces him to follow the rules. I love the guys that say we pay the police to do this knowing full well that people like him wouldn't make a pimple on a good policeman's a$$. John you just sit back complain and let the men in town try and keep you safe, and slow down. "

re john myer wrote on Aug 31, 2008 10:59 AM:

" YAY !!! YOU ARE SOOOO RIGHT...I COULD NOT AGREE WITH YOU MORE !!! "

john meier wrote on Aug 29, 2008 9:59 PM:

" ontario police need to take a couple of officers off "harrassing motorists" patrol and put them on gang prevention. I know that gang patrol is more dangerous and doesn't generate the revenue for the city that harrassing motorists does but we pay them to keep our city free from this crap not to create thier own funding for petty traffic infractions!!! Do your job ontario police "

stan wrote on Aug 29, 2008 8:01 PM:

" open your eyes look what color these socall people are and keep track "

MrEd wrote on Aug 29, 2008 8:03 AM:

" Your vain plea goes unheard and unheeded.
Now then, what are we going to do with all that pent up, punk-ask bravado if Obama brings the troops home? I mean, while Bush likes to talk tough, there are plenty of gang bangers who would like to express their anger when civility is still beyond their youthful years.
A playground with swings and nursery chimes is no longer adequate. We either need more cages for the animals or, a suitable arena for the ultimate paintball smack-down. Send them off to boot camp, brainwash them with patriotic idealism, and hope they grow up. "

its a sad day wrote on Aug 29, 2008 1:27 AM:

" What kind of future to we hope to give our children, children of all races and backgrounds. We are what we make ourselves and children are sponges, soaking up the environment they live in, this being said, it is not always the parents fault, from what I know of the families they where very loving people. Kids make bad choices, there is a lot out there to choose from, I am not a race, but a person with a sad heart and a wounded soul, I feel so much pain for the families involved, all the families. Everyone has a mother or father or both that love them, they have brothers and sisters, stop and think about what all the talk is doing to them, Take the time to help the younger generation make good choices or to learn from there mistakes, there are no perfect people. What we do is up to us and how we live makes a difference in how our community lives. God bless all the families and God help the streets of ontario. "

ARGUS wrote on Aug 28, 2008 3:07 PM:

" Please take this Blog off. Your page is spreading anger/violence. Stop it now... Please I ask you "

Tina wrote on Aug 28, 2008 1:20 PM:

" OH WOW ,PEOPLE GET OFF THE COMPUTER ALREADY AND GET A LIFE! LIFE IS FLYING BY AND YOU CONTINUE TO GET ONLINE AND ARGUE WITH PEOPLE YOU DO NOT EVEN KNOW! GANG MEMBERS, IF THATS WHAT YOU CALL YOURSELF PLEASE LEAVE THIS AREA! "

BMC Proud wrote on Aug 28, 2008 12:25 PM:

" As for you Jim, don't you get it??? It is not the illegals that are causing this crap...why doesn't anybody break up the KuKluxKlan, are they afraid? They have the biggest clique in the United States, I'll say there is more hatred there. Actually, I've always believed that people shouldn't judge others by what they hear or read about others.

It wasn't supposed to be like this...when BMC started out it was about respect and love for family and friends. Nothing else, no drugs or crime.

UNITY AZTLAN

Listen up, hermano
I'm going to feed you a little food for thought
You fight and kill to "defend" your barrio
But what have you really got?
You claim your neighborhood is "yours"
Please, show me the deed
A little lesson in reality
Is what you badly need
Please, pay attention to these words
Escuchame, mi hermano
You're killing my brothers, my sisters, my cousins
And yet you say you're a proud Hispanic
Un Hispano orgullozo y verdadero
Has respect for life and all around him
He does not need a gun or spray can
To identify and validate him
A true Hispanic is proud of his roots
His heritage, his raza
He backs up all Hispanos
Esta unido por la causa
Listen up, carnal
Escucha lo que te digo
The only change for a strong Aztlan
Es un Aztlan unido
The greatest races in human history
Achieved what they did, united
The Aztecs, Egyptians, et al
Didn't fall until divided
Divisions accomplish nothing
But the destruction of our race
Unity is the only solution
To avert this tragic fate
Unity is the key, mi raza
To achieve our biggest dreams
As grandiose as your mind allows
Nothing is out of reach
For unity breeds strength
Strength allows us to understand
Understanding equals knowledge
All these things go hand in hand
Unity is the key
That unlocks the cell of ignorance
People united achieve great things
It's more than just coincidence
Listen up, hermano
Escucha lo que te digo
The only change for a strong Aztlan
Es un Aztlan unido. "

SAD wrote on Aug 28, 2008 11:55 AM:

" All I have to say is that Rudy and Gonzalo were good people, they aren't like the little wanna be's that are running around now, they are pathetic pieces of $hi+$ they can just freakin go to prison, get death and go to hell!To all you little punk wanna be's you guys aren't Gangsters, you guys are nothing but punk trouble making pieces of worth less $Hi+$ that waste of space, RIP RUDY! "

Society in General wrote on Aug 28, 2008 11:52 AM:

" I believe that as a remedy, to this Gang problem. We as a State (Voters)need to invoke by legislation an extreme juvenile court system, and create laws so severe, (with no recourse)that we can invoke severe penalties on these criminals. We need to give our police and prosecutors more teeth to obtain the evidence,and other items needed to prosecute these criminals of underage.Instead of having a laid back, extremely libral State that we have now. We need to be able to imprison,put on chain gangs,boot camps or any other harsh method to curb these criminals and protect our citizens from future actions of these types.Also we need to remove from office any and all judges, or prosecutors that refuse or decline to prosecute these criminals to the full extent of the law.We cannot be afraid to take or implement these hard steps in order to protect us, (Society).We cannot cry about the cost, as to it costs us more now.As for the non juvenile offenders the laws are in effect, we just need to get the Judges and Prosecutors to use them, instead of plea bargaining down,letting them off lightly. And having them out on the streets again, before dinner time.Other issues that are part of this criminal element aslo need to be addressed. But this would be a beginning. "

JIM P. wrote on Aug 28, 2008 8:23 AM:

" JUST WAIT HOMIES LOONY IS COMING BACK!! WHEN HE GETS HERE HE WILL SHOW YOU ALL! "

JIM P. wrote on Aug 28, 2008 6:42 AM:

" I BELEIVE STUFF LIKE THIS HAPPENS WHEN SO MANY ILLEGALS GET INTO OUR SYSTEM. IF WE SHIP THEM BACK THEY WILL BE RIGHT BACK UP HERE IN 3 WEEKS. SO IF KILLING EACH OTHER IS THIER OWN SOLUTION I CAN NOT STEP BETWEEN THEM. LOOK I REALIZE THAT SOME OF THEM ARE LEGAL OR ARE GOING ABOUT IT LEGALLY. MOST OF THE ILLEGALS ARE ADULTS NOW, AND WE ALLOW THEM A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF CITIZENSHIP HERE FOR HAVING A KID. BECAUSE THE INITIAL PARENT TREATED OUR COUNTRY LIKE THEY DO IN MEXICO..THUS PROVIDING AN ENVIROMENT WHERE VIOLENCE IS ACCEPTED. ALSO IF YOU KILL SOMEONE IN MEXICO YOU COULD EASILY HIDE OUT IN THE U.S. AND MAKE A BETTER LIFE. SO MAYBE IF THE ILLEGALS WOULD TAKE BUSH UP ON THIS ONE FREE TRIP BACK EVERY GANG IN THE US WOULD SUFFER POPULATION LOSS. MOST GANGS ARE LATIN BASED. SO I DONOT FEEL SORRY FOR ANYONE INVOLVED IN A "ACCIDENT" LIKE THIS. GANG LIFE IS NOT THE WAY. MAYBE A "BUTTER_CREAMERS" GANG WOULD HELP OUT.. "

chale wrote on Aug 27, 2008 11:42 PM:

" TX-FTW
Are you being serious right now or is this a joke? how lame are you! why dont you stop "banging on the net" and grow up! Im raza and your embarrassing me! do i need to make my e's 3's so you can und3rstand or what? l3t m3 gu3ss your about 16 y3ars old? "

make a difference wrote on Aug 27, 2008 7:40 PM:

" how many of you bad mouth one another and everyone of you are too busy to make a differance? get off your fanny and make a differance! paint over the graffiti. cummunity watch, lets get this stuff to stop. the cops are not the only ones that can make a difference!! "

To Private wrote on Aug 27, 2008 7:25 PM:

" You fool, this is a public forum for opinions based on current news topics. If you don't like it, then leave; but understand to respect a diverse opinion, you'll be much more successful that way. You're the most ignorant one here..... "

WTF wrote on Aug 27, 2008 4:36 PM:

" TO "TX-FTW". I'm tired of you guys writing a 3 instead of an E. its soo snoying. You did loose a homie becase of BMC. Who shot him? BMC members...exactly. So how can you act like you have his back when your people murdered him?? That proves that gangs get you know where. I hate all the little gangs vatos and ese's who claim to be hard. Rudy may have been in that gang, but he was a very good kid and didnt act like all these wanabees. If that almarez kid got people to shoot up rudy because someone in his family ratted on him.....WHY did he put his "homies" in the situation to be a ratt. Why would you shoot up someone in a club with 16 cameras all over the place. hide the shirt and gun under a bush when he was wearing that shirt in the video. There is alot of evidence on that cat and he was going to get caught regardless. If he was any kind of a friend in the 1st place he shouldnt have even had his friend go to jail for a crime that he did. you call that homies???? and then someone has to die for all that stupidity. I feel stupid even explaining this. All you little BMC'ers are stupid to think that "puppet has your back to. If he started all this drama from his "homies" family..what makes you think hes loyal and wont do the same to yours. you guys need to open your eyes. All you will end up doing is going to jail, like almarez, mondo & oscar garcia. (there are alot more to that list)

I'm sorry but Rudy and his family dont deserve this crap. unlike the other wannabees...the matas were good kids and took care of there families. And the gang that they joined..thinking that bmc would have there back to the end..end up taking his lefe. you would think the 18 streeters would have done it ..NOT HIS OWN PEOPLE.

MONDO AND MR ALMAREZ...U GUYS ARE SHADDY "

Whats Important wrote on Aug 27, 2008 2:15 PM:

" In regards to (to what's important) I could not agree more with you! "

TX-FTW wrote on Aug 27, 2008 1:54 PM:

" W3 ACTUALLY HAV3 A F3W WHIT3 BOYS IN TH3 CLICK.SO TO TH3 WHIT3 FOLKS...K33P UR FAC3 THOUGHTS AND OTHER WH3R3 ABOUTS UP OUT OF OUR BUISN3SS!
TO TH3 HOM3BOY W3 LOST...MAY YOU R3ST IN P3AC3 N FORG3T ABOUT ALL TH3 HAT3RS DOWN H3R3 ON 3ARTH. "

private wrote on Aug 27, 2008 1:21 PM:

" children have lost their father, parents have lost their son , a woman has lost the love of their life , a sister has lost her bother , a brother has lost the best brother he has ever known, neices and nephews have lost their uncle, what has happend is a damn shame and a terrible tragedy , yet everyone is putting in their two cents defending themselvings and arguing ONLINE who gives a damn a man is dead he is not coming back

my condolences to the mata family "

to Whats important wrote on Aug 27, 2008 1:02 PM:

" The only way for this community to have peace and love is for gangs to be eradicated. Quit blaming and start helping to make it happen! "

Whats Important wrote on Aug 27, 2008 12:08 PM:

" Shame on the Argus Observer for posting these blogs!!! What about "terms of use"? Hello??? It is just making us more of a hateful community. Do you get that? Nothing anyone posts is going to change what happened. Someone lost there live! What we can change is what we say and help this COMMUNITY to become a positive place! About family, children and education!!!! What really matters in LIFE! "

good ridance wrote on Aug 27, 2008 5:57 AM:

" Gang violence in Eastern Oregon, we are a small community, what could you possibly be fighting over? Turf, street corners? If you are in a gang that promotes violence you are not only an idiot, but a sissy. If you really want to solve your problems with someone else, either put the gloves on or learn how to read and argue. You idiots. "

myndi wrote on Aug 26, 2008 11:32 PM:

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LET HIM REST IN PEACE AND STOP TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WENT WRONG IN THEIR LIFES TO MAKE THEM WHAT THEY ARE TODAY !!! YOU PEOPLE THINK YOU KNOW SO MUCH ABOUT OTHER PEOPLES LIFES !! GROW UP. "

Elementary School Tchr. wrote on Aug 26, 2008 11:26 PM:

" I beleive this blog has found its way right to the source of the gang membership cycle. Frequently over the years, when conferencing with my students' parents, I've tried to speak to a parent--typically, a young, single, hispanic mother-- about concerns I have with her child's behavior. I have never been successful at finding a diplomatic way to say, "Your child is a problem for us here at school because he lacks respect for authority, is sneaky and defiant, and exerts control, both physical and emotional, over other children. These women are immersed in the gang lifestyle, and they are in denial about the damage it causes to their own children. One mom told me I was judging her child because he was Mexican. Another said, "just because my kid likes to wear his baseball cap backwards like his brother, you think he's a gangster." In their defensiveness, they miss the whole point of the teacher's concern. Really, parents, if I didn't think your child was truly displaying red flag behaviors, believe me, I wouldn't even bring it up. The gang problem is a social problem, and taking racially-defensive attitude won't make it go away. "

Private wrote on Aug 26, 2008 10:02 PM:

" TO EVERYONE POSTING ON THIS PARTICULAR ARTICLE:

This is a forum to express your comments regarding this particular article; however, nearly every comment expressed has been a result of the respective writers own ignorance regarding this incident.

Every posting listed above contains a lack of knowledge in regards to what happened that morning, as not one posting contains proven facts or evidence. Every comment regarding the family, race, gangs, et. al. is worthless.

Ontario is a small community and to place the blame on ANYONE, to assume something based on a report written by a small-town newspaper journalist or gossip, and to make false accusations or assumptions adds unnecessary stress to all of those involved.

If you have extensive, proven facts...then you should speak up...wisely. All others, you're what is called ignorant. Not ignorant in a derogatory way, but in a way that you simply do not have facts and do not know the exact cause of this situation. You need to watch what you're writing, as it makes you and your comments look ridiculous, if not childish (as some of the posts are).

***LEAVE YOUR UNPROVEN, PERSONAL OPINIONS TO YOURSELF AND ALLOW THIS FAMILY THE OPPORTUNITY TO MOURN THE LOSS OF THEIR SON IN PEACE***

With Love to the Mata Family,

Anonymous "

to look at the parents wrote on Aug 26, 2008 7:44 PM:

" I have to say, I was starting to agree with you concerning your opinion until you started slamming OPD and the cops. Why is it that the Cops have to raise the children of parents who don't care or don't instill morals and values? I remember about 25 years ago, Ontario was a great town to raise your children. What happened? I think I know but it wouldn't be politically correct of me to say. Great JOB OPD! "

concerned wrote on Aug 26, 2008 7:35 PM:

" Someone in the Mata family testified against Hector Almaraz ( you know, the shooter at Club 7) and if you all remember, Hector was found guilty. Are you all suprised that the Mata brothers were lured into a fight?? I would be concerned for the rest of the "former" gang members who testified against Hector. By the way, the Mata family, Almaraz family, and Oscar Garcia's family ( who shot Rudy Mata) all raised these gangsters in Nyssa they all went to school in Nyssa and even lived in the same neighborhood. None of them are from Mexico and neither are their parents. I think we need to look at a local problem that is here to stay and stop pretending that it came from another country. The reason that the majority of gangstas are hispanic is because the majority of our population in this area is fast becoming the hispanics. If we were to survey say, Portland I think it's a toss up between the russians, the asians, the skinheads and the arians, with the blacks, and hispanics coming in as the minority. The police department has a full time officer dealing with the gang issue in ontario, but it seems the problem is getting away from us. Instead of pointing fingers we need to unite and help our young kids in school this is not a race issue, it's a community issue. I agree we must take our community back. Our children, of any color, deserve it. "

outof towner wrote on Aug 26, 2008 6:53 PM:

" These "gangs" are but small fish in a small pond. "

friend of the family wrote on Aug 26, 2008 3:45 PM:

" As for your information, Rudys family is a loving caring family and the mom tried hard and always worried both parents are in the home and cared for thier children, they are very caring people!!! Rudy was also a good person, he did choose wrong to be in a gang, but his parents are really good people!! There is no way to blame them, he just made a wrong choice, but the @$$hole who shot him is a backstabbing Jerk, who follows stupid orders all they are is wanna be's take them to cali and face the gangs over there. "

One man wrote on Aug 26, 2008 3:06 PM:

" Why should anyone be afraid of any member of the BMC? Oh yeah, because they have guns. My bad. And now they are doing us all a favor and killing each other. Rudy was a good kid, God rest his soul. His "friends" are not. They pick fights that they can't handle on their own then they pull out guns and give you a "rodney king" style beating with the gun in your faces so you can't fight back. They are all chumps, and jobless ones at that. "

pinkys friends wrote on Aug 26, 2008 2:59 PM:

" How come when a mexican (legal or not) gets involved in some sort of crime around here, people automatically start to bad mouth the Mexicans? It turns into an 'ALL mexicans are alike' mentality.
Then you get TWO white people in this same area, in trouble for messing around with kids and the community is all supportive. Nawahine and Garner are praised on this blog. What's up with that? Should Mexicans in the area suspect that ALL white people are sex offenders?
The Mata family are good people. Anyone who knows them would agree. Some of the family members made bad decisions, but that should not reflect their entire family.
To 'not a racist', you think you're safe just cause you work a 9-5 job? The element of crime knows no boundaries. You and your children are in as much danger as any other person living in the community. The problem of gangs and crime is EVERYBODYS. Just cause you choose to ignore it, doesn't mean you will never become a victim.

RIP Rudy. We support you Mata family! "

pinkys friends wrote on Aug 26, 2008 2:53 PM:

" How come when a mexican (legal or not) gets involved in some sort of crime around here, people automatically start to bad mouth them? It turns into an 'ALL mexicans are alike' mentality. Then you have TWO white people in this same area, in trouble for messing around with kids and the community is all supportive. Nawahine and Garner are praised on this blog. What's up with that? Should Mexicans in the area suspect that ALL white people are sex offenders?
The Mata family are good people. Anyone who knows them would agree. Some of the family members made bad decisions, but that should not reflect their entire family.
To 'not a racist', you think you're safe just cause you work a 9-5 job? The element of crime knows no boundaries. You and your children are in as much danger as any other person living in the community. The problem of gangs and crime is EVERYBODYS. Just cause you choose to ignore it, doesn't mean you will never become a victim.

RIP Rudy. We support you Mata family! "

Just Curious wrote on Aug 26, 2008 2:30 PM:

" Although I am very sad for the family of the victim.. I am curious did the victim, whom I read had two children, teach these children to be in gangs or to grow up and be in gangs. The vicious cycle just seems to repeat itself over and over again.....how sad it is and although I am not racist and I know that there are "bad" kinds in all races around here every time there is a shooting they are hispanic.. why is this??? "

Look at the parents wrote on Aug 26, 2008 2:07 PM:

" Blame needs to be put on the parents, not the race!!! Not all us hispanics are the same, unfortunalty..because of low life's like these, we all take the rap. This is not a race issue, it is a home issue!!! I know the parents of most involved and all though they are mourning...I think they need to feel a little guilty for not instilling any morals or values into thier children when they had a chance.
and to the ignorant bigots....don't get the immigrants into this, all the low life's involved are US citizens.
Parent's need to understand that Onratio is a bad city to try to raise a hispanic youngster, OPD makes sure of that. Instead of bitching, start trying to change things, it's never to late!!! OPD needs to get thier priorities straight and try to make things better, not worse, get off of your power trips and start doing your jobs!!! "

Who is to blame wrote on Aug 26, 2008 11:51 AM:

" Gang members in Ontario and Nyssa have mostly of one thing in common. They have been raised in dysfunctional homes with the lack of a positive father figure. That is the dilemma with the gangsta way of life. Most if not all of those involved in the gang come from homes where the father is absent or is in prison or is a drug addict or is a criminal. They look upon the gang as substitute for the family unit. They don’t realize the negativity/criminality of the gang banging way of life until it’s to late and they are sucked into a life of dysfunction above and beyond what they are experiencing in their own lives. There are some who rise above it and leave that way of life, but they are very few. There are others who end up in and out of jail and prison for their entire lives and then others are dead because of it. The tragic consequence of gang related way of life is that they join when they are very impressionable. This usually happens around the time they are in the Middle School or earlier. They slowly start to withdraw from school and end up dropping out and most end up with serious criminal records so no one wants to hire them. Thereby they end up living in poverty for the rest of their lives. They usually spread their seed around to different imprudent girls who have visions of commitment and caring when the gang boys were mainly looking for a piece for their personal fun with no commitment. Those children are then raised knowing that their true fathers are criminal’s. What kind of example is that to be raised under? Hey Johnny what does your Dad do? Weeelllll he is doing time in prison for being a criminal. That is the circle of life for those families who breed dysfunction. It carries on from generation to generation for the fragility of girls who are clueless in the long term effects of those they choose to date and be the fathers to their babies. It comes back to who is to blame for the direction a child takes into the gangsta way of life? In most cases it would lead directly back to the father, then the mother and then the family structure and/or lack of a positive family structure. "

not a racist wrote on Aug 26, 2008 7:50 AM:

" Im not scared...My question had nothing to do with being scared. I was just wondering since it seems the race and racist card was trying to be played out. Stupid question? No, I dont think so. It just brought the animal out to growl..So be it, as I go to my 9 to 5 and you live on the system. Feel super safe looking over your shoulder (knowing your homies really dont have your back)and I will feel safe knowing I have made a honest life for my children and family.... "

To not a racist wrote on Aug 25, 2008 11:38 PM:

" Why don't you ask one of the BMC how many whites are in the gang? Scared? Thought so!!!! Don't ask stupid questions!!!!! "

In Our Community wrote on Aug 25, 2008 7:05 PM:

" All this talk of gangs coming from all walks of life. Well how come it's only Hispanics shooting each other in the valley. One poster said something about lack of a role model in the home. I agree! So many of these wannabes have no role model but a gang banging cop hater Could be a dad, a mom, a sis, a cousin.

I know because next door to one who was teaching his 5 year old niece how to hate cops! If the Mata family was such a good one, why did some of them join gangs?

And as far as a poster thinking parts of the US belong to Mexico. Be patient. Our government is doing a very good job of handing my dream over to "your people" Look at California.

No law abiding citizen owes any illegal a dream "

To hispanic women. wrote on Aug 25, 2008 2:27 PM:

" The key word is owned. I owned a house is boise but lost it. Is is still mine. I your country is so great why did you leave "

not a racist wrote on Aug 25, 2008 1:17 PM:

" just wondering how many whites are in the BMC gang (brown magic click)? The name in itself is a little racist dont you think? "

bertviolante wrote on Aug 25, 2008 12:10 PM:

" Well, I must agree gang related activites are on a rise, I was born and raised in this area and it's so sad to see and hear what affect gangs have had on our communities. And while it's easy to blame others and other COUNTRIES, we need to realize that these kinds of problems are happening from all types of races,clutures, backgrounds, and countries....Hate crimes do not discrimante and will continue rise until we can all see the facts and stop balming and pointing the fingers. Associety we paint the picture we want to see or just flat out think that it's not our problem! The fact of the matter is that these GANG MEMBERS are people who have grown up in our communties and are around our children. We need to reach out to eachother and the youth and instead of pointing and judging, maybe start looking to see what we can do as a community and take a stand and let people know that we will not stand for these kinds of crimes. Although we can not fix all the crimes in in our area, I think we can sure help by not making matters worse and offending other people from differnet countries. My heart goes to those who have lost loved one to these hateful crimes. Hopefully one day these youth can see the affects in joining a gang, and how much it's not worth living a life of hate! "

chale wrote on Aug 25, 2008 11:42 AM:

" I feel bad for the mother of these young guys but i dont feel no remorse for the brothers. They know what happens when the join a gang. I know when i was young my mom would wip me in to shape if i started getting out of line. In ontario i always see these young punks trying to act hard for no reason! "

To EtTuBrute wrote on Aug 25, 2008 10:26 AM:

" What are you talking about? "

Ontario Grown wrote on Aug 25, 2008 8:42 AM:

" Um I'm pretty sure the guyz involved were born n raised in Ontario and or Nyssa, so the race card shouldn't apply here....Gang members come in all shapes, colors, races, n gender... "

also born in USA wrote on Aug 25, 2008 8:07 AM:

" To born in the USA

Unless you know these people you should not be making a comment. Just because the might be gang members that does not make them ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS. These gang members are also born in the USA, and even maybe there parents. "

unknown wrote on Aug 25, 2008 8:06 AM:

" RIP RUDY WE LOVE YOU AND WILL MISS YOU!! "

USA Mexician wrote on Aug 24, 2008 9:37 PM:

" Born to the USA, You are such a stupid retard. Get off your high horse and open your eyes. This has to do with our youth and gangs controlling their lives. It has nothing to do with immigration moron!!! Stick to the subject and don't start blame race on this. Mexicians are hard workers who work hard jobs paying minimum wages. I don't see people born in the USA trying to get these types of jobs. There are as many whites, blacks and mexicians who live off the system, not just mexicians retard. This has to do with unsuprivised youth who come from low income families and don't have a positive role model in their lives. You make a change and stop crititizing our youth. Step up and be a positive role model and stop judging them moron. "

Also born in the USA wrote on Aug 24, 2008 8:31 PM:

" To Born in the USA:
Why would you blame this on "the illegals"? This had nothing to do with them being illegal you ignorant jerk!!!! These kids were all born and raised right here as were their parents!!!! So if you don't know what you're talking about i suggest you keep your mouth shut!!!! "

Avenger wrote on Aug 24, 2008 7:10 PM:

" Knowing the victims history in the community of Ontario over the past several years, I can see why there is no great loss. If they continue to fight with rival gangs, the outcome will always be the same... someone will die. And unfortunately, it is usually an innocent victim. "

Theresa wrote on Aug 24, 2008 5:50 PM:

" In response to the blog regarding immigration are you serious and can please enlighten me with your closemindedness. To inform you the BMC gang members involved are all US BORN AMERICAN CITIZENS !!!!!! My knowlege on this issue is brought by the research conducted this morning and by being judgemental. Persons with your mentality should try this frequently!! My next suggestion is that you should read the above TERMS OF USE regarding racial comments!!! GOOD DAY !!!! "

To Born in the USA wrote on Aug 24, 2008 5:35 PM:

" Are there statistics on your assumptions? Or are you just blowin' smoke out your hole. If you're gonna make a generalization, then you should back it up with some evidence. "

Old Friend wrote on Aug 24, 2008 1:50 PM:

" Attn: born in the US, for your information, They are united states citizens, they were born here, they weren't illegal immigrants, so get your facts straight before you open your stupid mouth. and as for gangs what about the arians, they are a white gang, there are gangs of all races dumb @$$. Any race brings crime, but what ever you say is your opinion. Maria I am so sorry for your loss! Rudy u were a good friend! I will always remember the fun times, with you and your family, fabian, priscilla, and Gonzalo, you guys were like my family, Rudy you will be missed! And as for the person who shot them , what goes around comes around! Gonzalo be strong! To the Mata family! Stay strong all of you! Don't let what people say and think bring you down, they don't know how good of people you are! THINKING OF YOU GUYS! "

A hispanic woman and proud of it wrote on Aug 24, 2008 1:36 PM:

" to "Born in the USA", you need to get ur facts straight, the spanish owned some of the US, so technically u need to get out of the country if u have a problem with that. And immagrants ARE NOT THE ONLY ONES TO BLAME ABOUT THE VIOLENCE. It seems that u like to blame others right away before looking at all of the facts. Look around u, was there not crimes and drugs before illegal immagration. As for me, my parents are legal immagrants, and they dont start any drama with the law, "

A Responder wrote on Aug 24, 2008 12:27 PM:

" In response to EtTuBrute's comments on being ANOTHER Section 8 project. You need to research who the funder is of this complex. This is NOT a Section 8 assisted project, it is Rural Development assisted project formerly FmHA which is a totally different funding source.

This type of criminal activity can happen in any apartment complex whether assisted or NOT. It is unfortunate that blaming assisted housing projects and all families being assisted are criminals or gang members.

The families being assisted deserve safe and sanitary housing, it is up to the MANAGEMENT to screen prospective tenants to ensure the bad element's in our society are not housed. "

Born in the USA wrote on Aug 24, 2008 8:57 AM:

" As long as we continue to allow illegal immigration and do not control out borders we will continue to see the rise in crime. We need to close our borders and take back our country! With immigration from Mexico comes the gangs and crimes. "

EtTuBrute wrote on Aug 24, 2008 6:45 AM:

" Complete with plastic toys littering the grounds. I would bet it to be another glorious section8 project that attempts to give a little dignity to those forced to work for slave wages.
Meanwhile, the energies of youth go unspent and erupt with "gun play." Pat Caldwell would portrait the events with a more serious tone if his audience weren't the wealthy and privileged. The wine tasting crowd insulated from the level of the street by plush SUVs will not tolerate the sight of evil, the sound of evil, nor will they add a comment when they'd only make themselves look to be as obnoxious as the unkempt laundry room the caption picture doesn't show. "

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